>> DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE BETSY AND THOMAS PATTERSON FOUNDATION AND THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US IN MID-JULY.

THAT WAS NOT THE CASE THIS WEEK.

LOTS OF NEWS STORIES, AND WE WILL BE ANALYZING THEM ON THIS ADDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

FIRST MEET THE PANELISTS STARTING WITH MEDIA VETERAN WENDY WIESE.

DONNYBROOK FOUNDER, BILL MCCLELLAN OF THE POST-DISPATCH.

ALSO FROM THE POST, JOE HOLLEMAN AND ALVIN REID FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN WHERE HE WRITES A COLUMN, EDITS THE PAPER, REPORTS AND DOES A LOT.

>> CHANGING JOBS CAN BE MORE ONLINE.

I TOLD YOU ALL CHANGE WAS COMING, BUT WE HIRED A NEW EXECUTIVE EDITOR, NOT FIRED, FOLKS, NOT LAID OFF, BUT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN MY CHOICE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THEN?

BE MORE UP-TO-DATE AND KEEP THE ONLINE FRESH AND WON'T BE CRANKING OUT THE PAPER EVERY WEDNESDAY.

>> CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW ASSIGNMENT.

LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT JOSH HAWLEY, SENIOR SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MISSOURI FOR A LONG TIME.

HE WAS SAYING HE WOULD NOT VOTE TO CUT MEDICAID.

HE WAS SAYING FOR A LONG TIME THAT MEDICAID WOULD NOT BE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, BUT IN SOME WAYS IT WAS, AND HE VOTED FOR IT.

>> I KNEW HE WOULD VOTE FOR THE BILL ULTIMATELY.

AND I KNEW SCHMITT WOULD VOTE FOR THE BILL AND ANN WAGNER WOULD VOTE FOR THE BILL.

I WASN'T SURPRISED AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S DISASTEROUS.

I THINK IT'S HORRIBLE, AND PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A PARTISAN RESULT, BUT WHAT I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE, LOOK, RURAL MISSOURI, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE ON MEDICAID, LOOK AT STATISTICS, AND IT'S NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY.

THIS IS A LOT, MOSTLY POOR WHITE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT IN RURAL MISSOURI.

YOU VOTED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THIS.

YOU HAVE GOT TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND DO YOU WANT TO SUPPORT HIM AGAIN?

>> I THOUGHT SENATOR HAWLEY USED THE RURAL FOLKS AND RURAL HOSPITALS IN TERMS OF HIS ARGUMENT THE WAY HE WAS PRESENTING IT.

NO, WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT FOR RURAL AREAS.

>> HE DID GET AT THE 11TH HOUR $50 BILLION FOR RURAL HOSPITALS.

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT THEY VOTED HOLDING THEIR NOSE.

>> IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDIA IS WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO BOIL DOWN IN A 25-INCH STORY OR 40 SECOND REPORT A BILL THAT'S 400 PAGES THICK AND ALL THAT'S IN THAT BILL.

AND ALWAYS, YOU CAN LOOK AT EITHER SIDE, BUT IN MEDICAID, THERE WERE SOME THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, IF PEOPLE READ PAST HEADLINES, EVERY STORY I WROTE ABOUT JOSH HAWLEY NEVER SAID HE DIDN'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD GET KICKED OFF MEDICAID.

HE WAS FOR TAKING OFF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

HE WAS FOR OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T GO ALONG WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.

HE WANTED TO ELIMINATE WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE.

AND WHAT HE WAS OPPOSED TO WAS PROVIDER TAX TO FUND RURAL HOSPITALS.

WHAT THEY MANAGED TO DO, HIMSELF, ALSO LEAD BY SUSAN COLLINS, LISA MURKOWSKI AMONG OTHERS WAS GOT A $50 BILLION FUND SET UP.

THEY KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD INSTEAD OF BEING IMMEDIATELY, I BELIEVE, 2029.

BUT DID HE SELL IT HARD?

YES.

DID HE INVITE SOME OF THE CRITICISM?

>> I REMEMBER ON THE ESSAY IN THE NEW YORK TIMES TWO MONTHS AGO, AND THERE WAS NO AMBIGUITY ABOUT THIS WILL HAPPEN.

HIS ESSAY WAS VERY SOLID, NO CUTS TO MEDICAID, NONE.

AS FAR AS GETTING ILLEGAL ALIENS OFF MEDICAID, THAT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL.

ILLEGAL ALIEN CAN BE TREATED AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL IF HE GOES INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM.

BUT ANN WAGNER PUT THAT OUT IN A PRESS RELEASE, TOO, AND WE ARE STRENGTHENING THIS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE NOW FORBIDDEN BY LAW.

>> WHAT IS IT?

8 A 5, 90% ALREADY BILL THE WORK MANDATE.

NOW YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT EVERY 6 MONTHS AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FALL OFF BECAUSE MISSOURI WAS NOTORIOUS FOR NOT GETTING PEOPLE ENROLLED IN MEDICAID.

>> SOMETIMES THESE PREDICTIONS DON'T HAPPEN.

JUST RECENTLY REMEMBER, ALVIN, THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO BE ARMAGEDDON AT THE AIRPORTS, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE REAL ID AND BE CAREFUL.

TURNED OUT THAT WAS A BIG NOTHING BURGER.

>> I HEARD HARSH STORIES ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> PEOPLE TRAVELING, PEOPLE NOT HAVING MEDICAID ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> IT'S GONE UP 60% SINCE 2019, AND IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CUT.

>> YOU ARE LIKE THE KENTUCKY SENATOR THAT SAID WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE SOMETIME?

>> I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT.

THEY ARE SAYING IF THEY ASK YOU TO WORK, VOLUNTEER OR GO TO SCHOOL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S.

>> MOST PEOPLE DO THAT ALREADY.

>> BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT OVER AND OVER.

>> IT'S LIKE VOTER REGISTRATION.

>> IT TAKES MISSOURI 7 MONTHS TO PROCESS IT, AND THAT MEANS AT LEAST A MONTH I WON'T HAVE ANY HEALTHCARE.

>> BASICALLY THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, THE RECONCILIATION BILL.

DID DEMOCRATS EXPECT ALL REPUBLICANS TO VOTE AGAINST IT?

HOW DARE YOU VOTE FOR THAT BILL?

IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS' BILL.

THE REPUBLICANS VOTE AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS BILLS.

>> THE THE REPUBLICANS WHO WERE WARY ABOUT THE BILL.

>> THERE WERE THREE.

>> AND RAND PAUL VOTED AGAINST IT NOT BECAUSE OF MEDICAID BUT BECAUSE THEY RAISED THE DEBT.

>> I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF MECHANISM IN PLACE IF THERE IS THE OVERLAP BETWEEN COVERAGE AND PROCESSING, AND YOU ARE SAYING THERE'S NOT.

>> COSTS ARE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE STATE, AND THIS IS A STATE THAT JUST SIGNED A BUDGET THAT WE ARE CUTTING TAXES, NOT BRINGING MUCH REVENUE, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COVER OUR SHARE OF MEDICAID.

>> THEY SHOULD BE COVERING MEDICAID, ALL THE STATES SHOULD, AND THE PROVIDER TAX IS A GYMIC.

AND EVEN PRESIDENT BIDEN HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS VICE-PRESIDENT SAID IT WAS A JOKE.

>> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME THAT STATES NEED TO SHOULDER A BIGGER BURDEN.

I CAN'T BELIEVE DEMOCRATS ARE SO SURPRISED THAT REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING IN REPUBLICAN MEASURES.

>> I DON'T THINK DEMOCRATS ARE SURPRISED.

I THINK THEY DISAGREE.

>> SHOCKED AND APPALLED, HOW DARE YOU DO THIS?

>> IT'S NOT THAT THEY ARE DOING IT.

BUT IT'S THE LEVEL THAT'S BEING DONE.

THIS IS REALLY DRASTIC.

THIS IS BEYOND THE PALE, AND IT'S TERRIBLE.

WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO WHATEVER DONALD TRUMP TELLS YOU TO DO, BUT COME ON, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STAND UP FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> WIN THE ELECTION.

>> PROVIDES MEDICAID COVERAGE IN VARIOUS STATES.

AND THE CEO MAKES $21 MILLION A YEAR.

DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FAT IN THE MEDICAID SYSTEM?

>> IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERY NOT-FOR-PROFIT AND EVERY BUSINESS.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

WHAT A CEO MAKES -- LET'S SAY WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THE CUT?

>> TO BE CONTINUED.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO FIREWORKS IF WE HAVEN'T STARTED FIREWORKS ALREADY ON THIS PROGRAM.

LAST WEEK WE DISCUSSED THE WARNING WENDY BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WOULD BE CRACKING DOWN ON PEOPLE WHO ARE USING FIREWORKS, AND IT TURNS OUT 90 PEOPLE WERE CITED AND NOT ONLY FOUND FIREWORKS AMONGST THE KIDS BUT FOUND FIREARMS AS WELL.

WAS IT A BIG SUCCESS FOR THE METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> I THINK IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BILL MCCLELLAN HAS SAID DON'T LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT I HEARD, SO YOU GET THE CREDIT.

WHEN YOU THINK OF VANDALISM, INCIDENTS OF VANDALISM, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE FIREARMS, LET'S TAKE ALL OF THE ENTHUSIASM FOR THE FIREWORKS AND ROUNDING UP THOSE PARENTS, AND THEN APPLY IT IN A BROADER SENSE TO THE KIDS WHO ARE REALLY DOUBLING, AND KIDS IN THE JUVENILE SYSTEM ARE 7 AND 8 YEARS OLD.

SO WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM, AND I THINK THE SUCCESS OF LAST WEEKEND, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO BUILD ON, RIGHT?

>> DO IT AGAIN.

KEEP DOING IT, AND MOVE ON OVER TO WASHINGTON AVENUE, TOO.

MAYBE WE CAN SEND THE STATE THE BILL.

I'M SAYING UNTIL PEOPLE WANT TO WISE UP AND SAY THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, KEEP DOING IT AND KEEP DOING IT.

I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I SAID IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT.

IT WILL BE OUT THERE, AND THEY WILL PLAY IT UP.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT LET'S KEEP DOING IT.

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT IF IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT IN THAT IT GETS PUBLICITY.

WHEN DID THAT BECOME SUCH -- WHAT A GREAT IDEA TO ENFORCE THE LAW AND FOR JUVENILES TO HOLD PARENTS RESPONSIBLE?

TO ME, THAT'S HOW IT WAS WHEN I WAS A KID.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN 8-YEAR-OLDS ARE GETTING SHOT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CELEBRATE.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.

IT'S LIKE LICENSE PLATES AND BROKEN WINDOWS AND LITTERING.

YOU HAVE GOT TO SHOW THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW AND HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.

>> BILL MCCLELLAN, SPEAKING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE LOST A GOOD ONE THIS WEEK.

>> YES, WE DID.

FORMER DETECTIVE SERGEANT GEORGE SEIPERT DIED RECENTLY.

GEORGE WAS COLORFUL, VERY MUCH A MARINE, AND HE HAD SERVED IN KOREA.

HE WAS A HOMICIDE SERGEANT WHEN I COVERED BACK IN THE EARLY '80s AND HE HAD A TAPE RECORDER WITH HIM AND PLAYED CHARGE.

HE WAS A GREAT DETECTIVE AND HAS BEEN LIVING IN BETHESDA IN SOUTH COUNTY, AND YOU HAD THE CRIME SCENE TAPED ALL OVER SO PEOPLE COULDN'T GET IN, AND HE WAS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO HAD A LOVE OF HIS LIFE, AND THAT WAS HIS WIFE DOROTHY.

DOROTHY DIED A YEAR AGO, AND GEORGE JUST WANTED TO BE WITH DOROTHY IN HEAVEN.

>> OUR THOUGHTS WITH THEIR FAMILY AT THIS TIME, THANKFUL FOR HIS SERVICE.

HOW ABOUT DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS WHERE RYAN MCCLURE TOLD SARAH FENSKE ON THE 314 PODCAST THAT HE HAS DESIGNS.

HE'S WITH THE GATEWAY ARCH FOUNDATION, THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT, AND WAS RESPONSIBLE IN LARGE MEASURE FOR IMPROVING THE ARCH GROUNDS SOME YEARS BACK AND THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE BOSTON WHERE YOU TAKE THE ARTERY AND TURNING THAT INTO MORE USABLE SPACE, IN THAT CASE 44-70.

>> WE WILL USE RAMS MONEY.

IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, SOMETHING TO LIVEN UP DOWNTOWN AND HOPE FOR A RENAISSANCE.

BUT AS FAR AS WHERE THE DOUGH GOES OR WHAT THE PLANS ARE, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE ARTIST RENDERING STORIES WHERE THEY WOULD SEND US ART AS A RENDERING AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR AND FILL IN THE BLANK.

IF IT HELPS DOWNTOWN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ME, AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY ON HERE THE ARCH IS ONE OF THE GREAT MONUMENTS OF THE WORLD.

I HEAR IT'S THE GREAT MONUMENTS IN THE WORLD.

THERE'S NO FINER ONE THAN THE ARCH.

ANYTHING THAT DRAWS ATTENTION TO IT, LETS PEOPLE GET TO THAT.

IT'S AN ABSOLUTE WORK OF ART, 660-FOOT WORK OF ART IS AMAZING.

I'M FOR IT, GIVEN THAT THE PLAN MAKES SOME SORT OF SENSE.

>> IT'S TIED TO THE RENOVATIONS, THE COMPLETE RENOVATIONS FROM THE GROUND UP OF THE MILLENNIAL AND THE TOWERS.

THE MANSION HOUSE.

THERE'S A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, BUT IN TERMS OF REALITY, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE TOO EARLY.

>> IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE RIVERFRONT DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING, BUT WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.

>> I MEAN, IT IS A WORKING RIVER.

IT'S NOT LIKE LAKE MICHIGAN.

IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL BODIES OF WATER.

I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY DO MORE WITH IT.

BUT IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A TIGHTROPE RIGHT NOW.

>> MY FEAR IS THIS.

WE CLOSED HIGHWAY 40 FOR 2 YEARS AND HAD HIGHWAY 40 WHEN IT WAS DONE.

DIDN'T RUN THE METRO, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BUILD THE SAME THING.

HOUSING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK IT'S 630 FEET.

SO I WILL GET ALL THE YARD PIECES.

>> I SAID 660.

>> SPEAKING OF FIGURES, THE BOSTON SOUTHEAST EXPRESSWAY WAS PUT UNDERGROUND AND BUDGETED $2 BILLION AND CAME IN AT $24 BILLION.

>> THAT'S BOSTON POLITICS.

WHAT DO WE WANT TO ADD?

>> JOE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT, SPEAKING OF DOWNTOWN, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE MILLENNIUM HOTEL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT'S GOT ASBESTOS.

THE SAME FOUNDATION BOUGHT IT, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND CREATE SOMETHING NEW THERE, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A 90% TAX ABATEMENT AND ALREADY SCHOOL OFFICIALS ARE SAYING AGAIN, SOMEONE IS TAKING MORE MONEY OUT OF OUR POCKETS?

>> I SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM.

I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN GET A DEVELOPMENT DONE THESE DAYS WITHOUT IT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

WE WON'T GIVE YOU THE ABATEMENT AND YOU CAN JUST LEAVE.

THEY GO OKAY, BYE.

I THINK AT SOME TIME IT'S A BAD CHOICE YOU HAVE TO MAKE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW IT GETS DONE WITHOUT IT.

>> BUT WOULD THEY SAY GOOD-BYE?

COULDN'T THEY JUST NEGOTIATE?

ANY LITTLE BIT IS GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

>> I AGREE.

ALSO WHAT THE CITY, I THINK, TECHNICALLY HAD IN THEIR FAVOR WAS THE PRICE OF THE BUILDING.

WHAT DID THEY BUY IT, FOR $4 MILLION?

I DON'T HAVE $4 MILLION, BUT THAT'S CHEAP.

I KNOW THIS PLACE NEEDS ALL KINDS OF REPAIR.

IT'S GOING TO BE COSTLY.

HOW ABOUT -- I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR -- WHICH IS A BARGAIN.

HOW ABOUT YOU PAY 2, AND WE GIVE YOU 50% TAX ABATEMENT.

>> I LIKE IT'S THE BALLPARK VILLAGE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME ALREADY.

WE HAVE THE FLY BY NIGHT DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS AND THEY NEVER DO.

THE BALLPARK VILLAGE, THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING IT BETTER.

>> THIS TIME IT IS TRUE, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN AN EMPTY HOTEL FOR HOW MANY YEARS.

SO IT'S BRINGING IN ZERO.

>> STANDS TO BE AN ABSOLUTE BOOMING SUCCESS.

>> WE ALWAYS SAY THAT ABOUT THESE PROJECTS.

YET, I THINK WHAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKE ARE NOT BIG GRAND PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S A LITTLE OVER 44-70 OR BALLPARK VILLAGE.

I THINK THEY LIKE SHOPS, BAKERIES, FLORISTS.

>> YOU HAVE A 20 STORY HOTEL THERE.

YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE DUE WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

>> IF WE PUT THAT HOTEL THERE THAT WON'T BE PAYING TAXES, IT'S NOT GOING TO SUCK ECONOMIC ENERGY FROM THE REST OF DOWNTOWN?

>> THAT'S WHAT WASHINGTON AVENUE.

>> THE ECONOMIC ENERGY WOULD BE WHERE?

>> STILL WOULD BE DOWNTOWN.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>> ANY OTHER APARTMENT BUILDING, ANY OTHER CONDO, IT WILL JUST MOVE.

IT'S NOT LIKE WASHINGTON AVENUE.

>> BALLPARK VILLAGE TOOK EVERYTHING.

>> VERY DIFFICULT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN, THINGS ARE ALREADY DETERIORATING DOWNTOWN.

NOT LIKE WE ARE BUILDING CHESTERFIELD.

IT WON'T BE SMOOTH, AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE.

>> ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GRANITE VILLAGE.

THEY HAVE NOTHING BIG.

>> IT'S CHARMING.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SHOPS, I THINK THAT'S ON SOMEBODY'S SECOND TRIP.

NOBODY SAYS THAT.

AS YOU GET TO NOAH PLACE, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS HERE AND THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES I GO TO WHERE ON A SECOND OR THIRD VISIT I FOUND REALLY COOL PLACES, BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME TO ST. LOUIS THE FIRST TIME THEY DO THAT, THEY WANT TO CATCH A CARDINALS GAME, GO TO THE ZOO.

THEY WANT TO GO SEE THE ARCH.

THEY DO THE BIG THINGS.

IF THEY HAPPEN TO FIND SHOPS OR GET INTRODUCED TO ART OR WHATEVER, NEXT TIME BACK, THEY DO THAT.

FIRST TIME IN, IT'S THE BIG TICKET ITEM.

>> IT'S SUCH A RED MEAT LOCATION, SUCH AN ICONIC HOTEL.

>> LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

>> IF YOU COULD GET THE RESTAURANT TO SPIN, PEOPLE WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND EAT EVEN AS THEY WERE FIXING THE HOTEL ITSELF.

>> HOTEL WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THEY HAD THE REVOLVING RESTAURANT.

>> WENDY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE BISON IN ST. ALBANS.

A WOMAN, WHO WAS A RANCHER, HAD THREE BISONS, FOUND THEY HAD ESCAPED, JUMPED OVER THE FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SHE TRIED TO BRING THEM BACK INTO THE PEN, BUT THERE WERE SO MANY SPECTATORS THAT THE ANIMALS WERE SPOOKED AND STARTED CHARGING PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE OWNER, AND THEY WERE SHOT BY THREE FRANKLIN COUNTY DEPUTIES.

IT WAS A SAD STORY.

>> IT WAS A SAD STORY.

WHEN THINGS ARE GOING WELL, SURE, OUR JUDGMENT IS RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON.

BUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE COMMERCIALS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE INSURANCE COMMERCIAL.

THEY ARE ONLY HUMAN, BECAUSE THE MORE HUMAN WE ARE HUMAN, SO WE MAKE MISTAKES IN JUDGMENT.

I DON'T THINK -- THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A LABOR OF LOVE FOR THIS WOMAN AND HER FAMILY.

THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR DECADES IN TERMS OF THE BREEDING, THE GIRL BISON WAS IN HEAT, AND THE BOY BISON OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWED.

THEY GOT SPOOKED.

THEY HAD A LOT OF SPECTATORS, AS YOU SAID.

I REALIZE THIS IS SUCH A RARE OCCURRENCE, BUT YOU SHOULD -- I DON'T KNOW -- PAY A PENALTY IF YOU'VE GOT -- YOU'VE GOT -- YOU ARE TYING UP LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE WAS CROWD CONTROL.

SHE WAS UPSET BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT $20,000 AND SHE DIDN'T GET AN EAR TAG FOR THE BISON.

I FEEL FOR HER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE ATTACHED TO THESE ANIMALS.

IT'S NOT A GREAT LOOK.

>> YES.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAME TO THE BISON, ALL THREE OF THEM WERE DEAD BECAUSE ONE GORED WOMAN AND THE OTHER TWO WERE GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN'T TRANG THEM AND DRIVE THEM OUT TO FORT RILEY, KANSAS WHERE THEY HAVE A BUFFALO HERD AND LET THEM LOOSE.

>> WHO THOUGHT RAISING BUFFALO WOULD BE SO COMPLICATED?

>> YOU NEED A VERY STURDY FENCE.

>> I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BISON, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THEY JUMPED THE FENCE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WEIRD THING.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE.

>> I THINK A TREE FELL ON THE FENCE.

>> IF YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF ANIMAL ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN YOU'RE WORKING ON RENOVATIONS IN YOUR HOME AND YOU FIND OUT, IT SEEMS TO ME YOU WOULD WANT A BISON.

IS THERE A BISON BABY-SITTER ON ANGIE'S LIST.

>> THE BUFFALO HERD CAME OUT AND WAS WALKING AND HAD BABIES, AND THE BIG GUY BUFFALO WALKED RIGHT NEXT TO OUR CAR.

THE EYE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WINDOW.

AND I SAID THAT BUFFALO IS AS BIG AS THIS CAR.

>> JOE, FINAL TOPIC, TWO-MINUTE WARNING, GOING TO BE QUICK, ON MAY 16, WE HAD A TORNADO AND SERIOUSLY DAMAGED 7 SCHOOLS IN ST. LOUIS, CAUSING $77 MILLION IN DAMAGE.

THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOLS WANTS TO TRANSFER SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS FROM SUMNER IN BEAUMONT TO COLLIDE C. MILLER ACADEMY.

THAT'S A BAD IDEA.

FIGHTS ARE GOING TO BREAK OUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHO DO YOU SIDE WITH, THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE TEACHERS?

WITH THE TEACHERS TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE ASKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING, AND THEY ARE SAYING YOU NEED TO NEGOTIATE THIS.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE CONTRACT.

THERE VERY WELL MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT GOVERNS TEACHERS BEING TRANSFERRED TO DIFFERENT SITES.

BECAUSE ALONG WITH THE STUDENTS, THE REAL DANGER TO THE TEACHERS, IF I'M AHEAD OF THE TEACHERS UNION IS WHAT ABOUT MY MEMBERS.

WHAT ARE THEY IN FOR WHEN THEY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT BUILDING, AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS.

IT SOUNDS WHAT THE UNION IS SAYING IS WE NEGOTIATE THIS BECAUSE IT'S WORK CONDITIONS, PAIR THAT WITH THE FACT I HAVE NO FAITH IN THE CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT OR MANAGEMENT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO BASICALLY DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO TALK TO THE UNION AT ALL.

>> HAMSTRUNG BY THE FACT THAT THE OLD BOARD PUT -- GAVE HER THE JOB.

IF THE BOARD WANTS TO FIRE HER, THEY HAVE TO PAY HER THROUGH 1928.

THIS IS A CHANCE TO REORGANIZE A SCHOOL SYSTEM AND CITING OUT WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD GO.

AND THE NEW SUPERINTENDENT DIDN'T EVEN TALK.

>> IN TERMS OF PROTOCOL, THE NEW FOLKS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

>> THEY ALSO VOTED TO NO, THIS PLAN IS ON OLD, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND TWO, BUY HER OUT.

SHE'S GOT TO GO.

I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

SHE'S GOT TO GO.

I'M SORRY.

>> THE STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO FIGHT IF THEY ARE TRANSFERRED.

I NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE IT.

>> NO, NO, NO, NO.

THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.

YOU CAN'T SAY WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS SCHOOL POPULATION.

>> THERE WAS A TORNADO.

IT DESTROYED 7 BUILDINGS.

>> THIS IS INDEFENSIBLE.

THIS IS NOT THOUGHT OUT, THE RESULT OF HAVING A POOR SUPERINTENDENT.

>> TO THE LETTERS WE GO.

THE FACT THAT BASEBALL ATTENDANCE IS DOWN DUE TO AT LEAST PARTIALLY TO THE TEAM'S PERFORMANCE DOES NOT MEAN ST. LOUIS FANS AREN'T STILL THE BEST.

WE KNOW THE PRODUCT AND WILL REACT APPROPRIATELY.

FROM MICHAEL RUBEN OF CHESTERFIELD.

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