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>> SUMMER IS HERE AND THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR DANCING IN THE STREET.

YOU CAN CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH WITH US TONIGHT ON DONNYBROOK.

WELCOME ABOARD.

JOINING ME TONIGHT IS WENDY WIESE, MEDIA VETERAN, BILL MCCLELLAN, FOUNDER OF DONNYBROOK AND A GREAT COLUMNIST.

SARAH FENSKE FROM ST. LOUIS MAGAZINE AND IN MY SEAT TONIGHT IS JASMINE HUDA FROM FOX 2 NEWS.

WE HAD MORE VIOLENCE AND MAYHEM ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.

A YOUNG MAN FROM SPRINGFIELD WAS STRUCK BY A CAR AND KILLED APPARENTLY WHILE PARTYING.

THERE WAS A SHOOTING.

A PERSON WAS STRUCK BY A CAR.

I JUST AM WONDERING WHY WE CANNOT GET CONTROL OF WASHINGTON AVENUE FROM THE RIVER TO HOWEVER FAR WEST WE WANT TO GO.

IT SEEMS LIKE A THING WE NEED TO GET DONE.

ANY EXPLANATION?

>> WE'VE TRIED AND THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN HAS TRIED.

THEY PASSED REGULATIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD STOP THIS SORT OF THING.

IT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BOOK A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE WITH TWO NIGHTS.

IT STOPS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE A PARTY.

THERE WAS A LEGAL CHALLENGE AND HAS THE CHALLENGES ON ICE UNTIL IT CAN SORT OUT.

IT HAPPENED AT THE ELI WALKER LOFTS.

THIS IS A BUILDING WHERE MORE THAN 50% OF IT OWNED BY TWO NOTORIOUS DEVELOPERS.

HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NEIGHBORS.

YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO SO MUCH WITH POLICING AS OPPOSED TO THE UNIQUE PROBLEM OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WHEN YOU HAVE BAD ABSENTEE OWNERS.

IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.

>> ALSO, WHEN YOU HAVE FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY LIVING DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE SEEN THE FLOOD GATES HAVE OPENED.

THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE OF THE RECENT STORM.

I THINK THERE'S ALMOST AN APATHY OR FEELING OF HELPLESSNESS, BUT ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SCREECHING AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.

I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE APPLIED PRESSURE THAT WE DO NOT SEE BEING APPLIED HERE.

>> WHEN SARAH TALKS ABOUT NOTORIOUS OWNERS, I KNOW THEY ARE UNDER FEDERAL INDICTMENT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY COULD PUT LAWS ASIDE AND JUST HAVE SELECTIVE PROSECUTION AND JUST GO AFTER THEM EVERY DAY AND DRIVE THEM OUT.

THESE GUYS ARE KILLING DOWNTOWN.

>> WE ARE APPROACHING THE FOURTH OF JULY.

WE REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST JULY 4th, 7 PEOPLE WERE SHOT DOWNED.

AND JANAI EDMONDSON, ALSO AN OUT-OF-TOWNER WHO SADLY HAD HER LEGS AMPUTATED AFTER A CAR RAN INTO HER.

AND A 16-YEAR-OLD FROM SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI AND MOTHER AND DAUGHTER KILLED FROM CHICAGO COMING IN FOR THE DRAKE CONCERT.

IT'S A REALLY BAD IMAGE FOR DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

AS WE GET TO THE HOLIDAY, YOU HAVE GOT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

>> IT IS A BAD IMAGE.

I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE THIS YOUNG MAN LOST HIS LIFE.

BUT I THINK THERE IS A KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE JANAI EDMONDSON CASE.

THIS HAPPENED AT 1:00 IN THE MORNING.

IT SHOULD BE A SAFE TIME TO WALK THE CITY STREETS.

BUT THE EDMONDSON CASE, THE WOMAN CROSSING THE STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, THERE WITH HER PARENTS.

FELT LIKE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A SITUATION.

AND I REMEMBER MY PARENTS SAYING NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS AFTER MIDNIGHT.

WE WANT YOU HOME BY MIDNIGHT.

THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT.

THIS IS KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE HEART OF WASHINGTON AVENUE.

THE CITY HAS PUT A LOT OF WORK PUTTING WASHINGTON AVENUE BACK TO THE PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT.

IT'S KIND OF A BIT OF A NO MAN'S LAND.

I THINK ONE REASON THEY HAD PROBLEMS IS IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE HEART OF THINGS.

I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAYBE SORT OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T EXCUSE IT.

>> I'M TROUBLED AS TO WHY THE SUSPECT WHO KNEW HE STRUCK THE YOUNG MAN AND SOMEONE WAS FIRING A WEAPON OUT OF THE WINDOWS, HOW DID HE MANAGE TO GET RELEASED?

>> THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

>> APPARENTLY HE WAS OUT.

NOW, WHETHER HE MADE BAIL, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT ONE EITHER.

I ALSO KNOW IF YOU STRIKE SOMEBODY WITH YOUR CAR, THE WHOLE SHOOTING AND WHOLE THING IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I HAVE NEVER HIT ANYBODY WITH A VEHICLE, BUT I DO KNOW THOSE THAT HAVE ARE NOT TAKEN DIRECTLY TO JAIL.

IT LOOKS TERRIBLE.

LOOKS LIKE A SWEET KID FROM SPRINGFIELD, AND GUN SHOOTING AND 1:00 IN THE MORNING, BUT GOING BACK TO THE SHORT-TERM MENTAL.

I'M WITH BILL.

IT SEEMS TO ME -- I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE WESTERN DAYS, AND YOU CAN'T RUN SOMEBODY OUT OF TOWN.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF THERE'S 14 POLICE OFFICERS OR FOUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER PERSONNEL OUTSIDE THAT PLACE, IT WOULD BE A MONTH BEFORE THEY SAID THAT'S ENOUGH OF THAT.

WE WON'T HAVE PARTIES THERE.

WE'VE GOT TO BRING THIS BACK.

>> THEY HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF 150 CALLS OR MORE IN A SINGLE YEAR.

IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS AN ABERRATION.

>> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ARRESTS GUYS OF WHATEVER KIND OF CHARGES YOU CAN DRUM UP.

AT THE SAME TIME, I'M WITH YOU.

>> IF BILL STREET WORKS, WASHINGTON AVENUE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK.

>> THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN SAY WE WANT TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE LEGISLATION.

AND THE JUDGE IS SLOW WALKING, AND STEPPED THE RESTRAINING ORDER THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM GET BACK INTO THE ROOM AND GET SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FOCUS THE LEGISLATION.

WE ARE ALL FOCUSED ON THE TORNADO.

I GET THAT, BUT THESE ARE NOT FIRST RESPONDERS OUT THERE WORKING 24/7.

WE NEED LEGISLATORS THAT IS GOING TO PASS SOMETHING THAT IS LEGAL MUSTER.

>> WE FORGET THAT THE CARDINALS, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE CARDINALS, THEY ARE -- IT'S NOT OTHER MAJOR CITIES THAT HAVE FANS OF THE CARDINAL ORGANIZATION.

THESE ARE SMALL TOWNS.

TO THESE SMALL TOWNS OR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, ST. LOUIS IS A BIG, BIG CITY.

AS YOU SAID, JASMINE, WE HAVE HAD A LAUNDRY LIST OF ACCIDENTS.

>> WHETHER IT'S THE TIME OF DAY OR THE PART OF DOWNTOWN, IT'S SAD TO READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE 16-YEAR-OLDS FROM SPRINGFIELD.

AND SOMEONE ELSE WAS SHOT OR SOMEONE ELSE WAS HIT.

I THINK FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE OR REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IT DOESN'T DO US WELL.

>> LAST SATURDAY NO KINGS DEMONSTRATIONS IN ST. LOUIS, ST. LOUIS COUNTY, THROUGHOUT MISSOURI, THROUGHOUT THE NATION ALL REPORTEDLY WERE PEACEFUL.

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DID SHOW UP, INCLUDING A MASS OF PEOPLE ALONG MANCHESTER ALL THE WAY OUT TO BALDWIN.

WENDY, DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING TODAY?

DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING TWO YEARS FROM NOW 2026 AND ON TO 2028?

>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES, BUT I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF -- MAYBE IT'S THE WARM FUZZY FACTOR WHO PEOPLE WHO ARE FEELING REALLY CONFUSED BY WHAT THEY SEE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, AND THAT MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO PROPEL SOMEBODY ELSE FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE GAVIN NEWSOME OR WHOEVER, BUT FOR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO DID TURN OUT, WE ARE A COUNTRY OF 300 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP WHO DO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP.

I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH, BUT MAYBE FOR THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES THAT ARE COMING UP, IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.

>> IF I'M ANN WAGNER, I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE NERVOUS.

I KNOW SHE'S FACING MORE POTENTIAL CHALLENGE FROM THE RIGHT BUT SHE HAS TO WATCH THE LEFT RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS NOTABLE YOU SAW BIG PROTEST IN OUT STATE MISSOURI AND NEAR ROLLA OR NEAR SPRINGFIELD, COLUMBIA.

BALDWIN, IF YOU WERE TO TELL ME 700 PEOPLE SHOWED UP, OH, WHOA, BUT IT WAS 7,000.

7,000 PEOPLE SHOWING UP NEAR MANCHESTER, THAT'S NOTABLE.

>> DID YOU GO OUT, BILL?

>> DID I GO OUT?

A LITTLE LATE IN THE AFTERNOON FOR ME.

BUT WE HAD SPOKE ABOUT IT.

I DID NOT GO OUT.

>> DID YOU HAVE TO BAIL YOUR MOTHER OUT OF JAIL?

>> I DID NOT.

MY WIFE SURVIVED THE WHOLE THING.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK.

YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED WHO'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

7,000 PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE.

IT WAS A CHILLY, RAINY DAY, AND I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE.

MY DAUGHTER CALLED ME AND SAID THEY ARE PROBABLY 700 PEOPLE ALONG MANCHESTER.

YOU MENTIONED IT.

IT WAS BACK IN THE SPRING.

10 TIMES AS MANY AS THIS TIME.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING 70,000 WILL SHOW UP THE NEXT TIME, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING, AND I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT, YOU'RE IN THE SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

IT WASN'T LIKE EVERYBODY WENT THERE BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, PEOPLE IN COLUMBIA, PEOPLE ALL AROUND IN MISSOURI.

IF MISSOURI IS GETTING ACTIVE, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO AT LEAST KEEP AN EYE ON FOR RIGHT NOW.

>> INVEST STL IS KEEPING ITS ON THE TORNADO, AND KEEPING DIRECT CHECK PAYMENTS TO THE FAMILIES THAT FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT A PLACE TO STAY RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THEIR HOMES HAVE BEEN RED TAGGED.

IF THEY HAVEN'T LEFT, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHORTLY.

THE DIRECT CASH TO PEOPLE,, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, BUT I'M WARY OF THAT.

>> INVEST STL HAS A HISTORY OF WORKING UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

VISITATION NEIGHBORHOOD, WEST END NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FAMILIES AND GETTING THEM ACTUALLY $20,000 WITH 2,000 TO START.

THEY SHOW THEM HOW THEY CAN REPAIR PROPERTY, RESTORE PROPERTY, BUY PROPERTY, HOW TO INVEST, HOW TO HOPE A BUSINESS.

THESE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS.

I KNOW WITH THIS, WITH THE TORNADO RELIEF, $3,000 SOUNDS LIKE -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

IS THERE ANY ACCOUNTABILITY?

THEY WORK WITH RESIDENTS STEP BY STEP ON RESPONSIBLE WAYS AND PRACTICAL WAYS SO PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR A LOT OF THESE FAMILIES THAT LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR GENERATIONS.

THEY ARE PRICED OUT, WAITING TO HEAR FROM FEMA AND THE CITY AND THE STATE, AND THIS IS ONE WAY TO FILL THE GAME.

AN IMMEDIATE NEED, AT LEAST.

>> IT'S GREAT.

GIVING THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN RED TAGGED A CHECK FOR $3,000.

IT'S GREAT THEY ARE COUNSELING THEM, JASMINE, BUT WITHOUT COUNSELING THEM, SAYING HERE IS $3,000, I KNOW IT WILL HELP.

I THINK IT'S ALL GOOD.

WHEN I READ THAT STORY AND I DIDN'T KNOW AS MUCH AS JASMINE, I THOUGHT THIS IS A GOOD THING.

>> I'M WITH YOU, BILL.

I ALSO TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE.

THEY ARE DOING INCREDIBLE WORK IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND REALLY DEEPLY CONNECTED WITH THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SERVING, BUT EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE IF A TORNADO STRUCK MY HOUSE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT WITHOUT $3,000 IN THE BANK.

IF I HAD $10,000 IN THE BANK, IT WOULD BE THE MOST STRESSFUL THINGS EVER.

PEOPLE WANT REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THINGS.

FEMA WANTS YOU TO SHOW I SPENT THIS-A HOTEL.

HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT UP FRONT TO GET REIMBURSED IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK?

I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO GIVE $10,000 TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS A RED TAGGED HOUSE.

THAT'S THE BARE MINIMUM IT WOULD TAKE TO GET PEOPLE BACK INTO A STABLE SITUATION.

>> ONCE UPON TIME $3,000 WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCH AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I DO AGREE WITH SARAH, THAT $3,000, WHEN YOU CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND THE FACT THAT SOME OF THEM ARE LIVING UNDER TARPS, $3,000 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH AT ALL.

I WOULD SAY GODSPEED.

>> HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN THE 500-DOLLAR ALLOTMENT FROM THE FORMER MAYOR?

>> THERE WAS A TORNADO.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED.

>> I DON'T THINK THE CITY TRACKED HOW PEOPLE WERE SPENDING IT.

>> EVERYBODY DEPENDENT GET 500.

SOME PEOPLE GOT IT.

$500 IS A NICE LITTLE CHUNK OF MONEY BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ALL THAT MUCH.

3,000 JUST SEEMS MORE SUBSTANTIAL.

>> KIND OF BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.

YOU ARE GOING TO TRACK PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU TRACK THEM TO FAIRMONT PARK OVER THERE.

>> I GIVE THEM $3,000 BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN RED TAGGED, I WOULDN'T COMPLAIN.

>> THE IDEA BEHIND THE UNIVERSE AM BASIC INCOME PILOT PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN SORT OF DOUBLING IN, THEY HAVE SHOWN GOOD RESULTS IN OTHER CITIES BY SHOWING HEY, YOU JUST TRUST PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

WE HAVE SO MANY PROGRAMS THAT REQUIRE SO MUCH RED TAPE.

YOU CAN GET MONEY FOR POWDER MILK BUT CAN'T GET MONEY FOLIC QUID MILK, ALL OF THESE THAT MAKE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH, IT'S INSULTING.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR FAMILY NEEDS.

THIS HAS WORKED IN SOME OTHER PLACES.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

>> ME?

>> NO.

THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DENY THE $3,000 PAYMENTS.

>> I'M NOT TRYING TO DENY THEM.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IN THE WORLD OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, I'M NOT SURE THERE WILL BE ENOUGH BALANCE.

>> IF WERE AN EXCESSIVE 10 OR $15,000 ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD WANT SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES.

I -- AND I'M GOING TO GET A LOT OF HATE FOR THIS, I KNOW.

$3,000 IS KIND OF LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT, JUST BREATHE FOR A MINUTE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

TWO RESIDENTS OF ST. LOUIS, JAMALA ROGERS AND MIKE MILTON FILED A LAWSUIT IN REGARD TO THE CONTROL BY THE STATE OF THE ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ONE OF THE ASPECTS IS YOU CANNOT PASS A LAW THAT POINTS OUT ONE CITY BY ITSELF, AND ALSO THERE ARE BUDGETARY QUESTIONS.

BILL, YOU THINK THIS HAS A BETTER CHANCE THAN THE CONVOLUTED SUIT THAT THE CITY FILED?

THE THOUGHTS AS IT GOES ON.

>> IT HAS A BETTER CHANCE, BUT I HOPE NOT.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THE LEGAL ARGUMENT AGAINST IT.

BUT I'M FIRMLY CONVINCED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID BETTER FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WHEN IT HAD A BOARD OF BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THINGS RATHER THAN THE CITY CONTROL, WHICH WAS ALWAYS KIND OF SKETCHY TO ME.

WAS IT JUST THE MAYOR?

ACTUALLY THE PERSONNEL DIRECTOR HIRES THE CHIEF.

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

LOOK AT THE TERRIBLE PROBLEMS WE HAD WITH OUR LAST PERSONNEL DIRECTOR.

MAYOR JONES APPOINTED HER.

WHEN MRS. GRAY'S HUSBAND WOULDN'T ENDORSE CORY BUSH, ALL OF A STUD THERE WAS A FIGHT AND THEN LAWSUITS AND SHE GOT FIRED.

IF I WERE A POLICE OFFICER, I WOULD THINK I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT THESE PEOPLE IN CHARGE.

I WOULDN'T WANT THE GOVERNOR IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EITHER, BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES ELECT GOOFY GOVERNORS.

WE ELECTED ERIC GREITENS.

BUT IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.

>> I CONTINUE TO BE OPPOSED.

WE ARE NEVER GOING TO AGREE ON THIS ONE.

I'M A CITY RESIDENT.

I WANT OUR POLICE CHIEF TO ANSWER TO OUR MAYOR, NOT SOME BOARD OF CRONIES.

WE TALKED ABOUT THERE HAVE BEEN BAD CHOICE ON HIS THIS BOARD IN THE PASTST.

WHILE I THINK MIKE KEHOE MAY DO A DECENT JOB OF CHOOSING SOME PEOPLE.

WOULD EVERY GOVERNOR IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI?

THERE ARE SOME THAT WANT THE GOVERNOR SHIP THAT I WOULD NOT TRUST TO CHOOSE PEOPLE IN LINE WITH THE VALUE OF CITY RESIDENTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING POLYANISH BUT I THINK THE LEGAL GROUNDS MAKE MORE SENSE.

THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT YOU CAN'T SINGLE OUT ONE MUNICIPALITY.

IT DOES SEEM TO BE SINGLING OUT ST. LOUIS.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHO WE ELECT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK.

THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD EITHER.

YOU CAN LOOK AT KIM GARDNER GETTING REELECTED.

YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR PRESENT SHERIFF.

SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S A GROUP OF SOBER BUSINESS PEOPLE IS A GOOD IDEA.

>> NO, NO.

I'M REALLY CURIOUS WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THIS OVERSIGHT BOARD.

THEY NAMED A TRANSITION DIRECTOR AND THAT PERSON IS SUPPOSED TO LEAD THEM FROM LOCAL CONTROL TO STATE CONTROL.

IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS GOVERNOR KEHOE IS GOING TO NAME FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS.

STAKES ARE VERY HIGH.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS ONE VOTE AUTOMATICALLY.

BUT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS GOING TO WONDER WHO THE OTHER VOTING MEMBERS ARE.

>> LET THE GOVERNOR WHO THEY LIKE.

>> THEY HAVE TO BE CONFIRMED.

>> ONE OF THE LAST TWO LAWSUITS STIPULATES, DOESN'T IT, THAT YOU HAVE TO -- IF YOU SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> IT'S ALMOST AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, BECAUSE THE CITY HAD THAT BAKED INTO ITS LAWS.

WHATEVER RAISE THE POLICE GETS.

>> REMEMBER WHEN THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN PASSED THAT.

>> I THINK WHOEVER IS ON THIS BOARD THEY WILL ANSWER TO THE GOVERNOR, AND THEY WON'T ANSWER TO ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT THE GOVERNOR.

LIKE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE UNITED STATES IN AMERICA, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE DO WE WANT THE NEXT PRESIDENT TO HAVE THAT SAME ABILITY TO DO THINGS?

DO WE WANT THE NEXT GOVERNOR TO BE RUNNING THE ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'M KIND OF FRIGHTENED OF THAT.

I'M ALSO FRIGHTENED OF THE CONTINUING STORY ABOUT THE COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER.

BEFORE ANYBODY GOES OFF ON ME AGAIN, I LOVE ANIMALS.

WE ADOPTED A DOG FROM THE SHELTER.

BELLA, WE LOVE HER.

WE HAVE A CAT FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY.

THEY HAVE HIRED A GENTLEMAN TO NOW BE IN CHARGE WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTERS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

DENNIS HANCOCK AND OTHERS ARE UPSET THAT HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO ANIMAL SHELTERS.

ALSO IN NORTH COUNTY, THEY ARE GETTING READY TO BUILD A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.

I DIDN'T KNOW WE NEEDED A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

>> THIS GUY HAS HIS WORK CUT OUT FOR HIM.

SOMETIMES YOU NEED SOMEBODY WITH THE OUTSIDER PERSPECTIVE.

THIS GUY DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF RUNNING SOMETHING.

IF YOU KNOW HOW TO RUN SOMETHING, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT VERSUS WHAT WE HAD.

I'M OPEN TO THE FACT THIS GUY COULD BE JUST WHAT WE NEED.

>> WHETHER IT'S A RADIO STATION, TELEVISION STATION, HOSPITAL OR NEWSPAPER OR ANIMAL SHELTER, I THINK THE PERSON AT THE TOP HAS TO HAVE MORE THAN A LOVE FOR PUPPIES.

I LOVE PUPPIES, AND I KNOW ABOUT ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS.

THEREFORE, I AM QUALIFIED.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VOLUNTEERS ARE SCREAMING SILENTLY.

I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY SUBTLE NUANCED THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE EXECUTION OF THE JOB THAT JUST AN ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGER GUY IS GOING TO BE -- HE IS GOING TO BE ILL PREPARED.

>> THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID OF BRINGING IN AN OUTSIDER.

THEY CAN BRING IN A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND FRESH PERSPECTIVE.

THE CONCERN FOR SO MANY OF THE CRITICS WE ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY LITTLE OR NO EXPERIENCE, AND THERE'S A VERY HIGH TURNOVER RATE.

THEY FAILED THREE INSPECTIONS UNDER THIS GUY.

SAM PAGE IS ASKING FIRST IT'S 3 MILLION AND THEN 18 MILLION.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY -- I BELIEVE IT WAS MIKE ARCHER ON THE COUNCIL SAYING THE SOLUTION ISN'T PUTTING MONEY INTO THE PROBLEM.

THE SOLUTION IS TO FIXING MANAGEMENT.

IS THIS THE WAY TO FIX THE PROBLEM?

>> APA DID SUCH A FINE JOB, IT SEEMED LIKE.

>> WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING CLOSER ATTENTION WHEN THEY JUMPED OVER THE SIDE.

>> I REMEMBER ALL THE CRITICISM HERE ON THIS SHOW, WELL, THEY WERE GIVING GIFT CARDS FOR DAVE AND BUSTER'S.

IT WASN'T LIKE A CHOPHOUSE.

WELL, THIS IS PUBLIC MONEY.

OKAY.

WE GOT RID OF THEM BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REPLACE THEM.

>> WHY DOESN'T SAM PAGE HIRE SOMEBODY FROM APA THAT WORKED AT THE OLD SHELTER?

>> DON'T HIRE YOUR DETRACTOR.

>> A TEAM OF RIVALS.

DR. SAM PAGE, I DON'T THINK SO.

>> THE WHOLE THING IS SUCH A MESS.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO TURN THIS THING AROUND.

IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHICH EXPERIENCED ANIMAL SHELTER PERSON WOULD BE JUMPING TO TAKE THE JOB.

>> THEY ALREADY HAVE A SHORTAGE, SO WHO IS GOING TO WORK AT THE APA ONE?

>> YEAH.

THE NEW ONE, WHO IS GOING TO WORK THERE?

WE WILL GET IT ALL WORKED OUT.

HUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS IS MOST IMPORTANT THING.

ALL THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

BILL, WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, ONE OF THE BEST FUNDED, ONE OF THE MOST ACADEMICALLY EXCELLING UNIVERSITIES IN THE NATION IS FACING KIND OF A CHANGE IN ITS TAX RATE.

IT WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE FROM THREE AND A HALF TO OVER 7%.

>> AS FAR AS TAXING THEIR ENDOWMENT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RAISING THAT TAX A BIT.

MY PROBLEM WITH WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY RIGHT NOW, I THOUGHT THAT THE CHANCELLOR, ANDREW MARTIN WAS WAY TOO WISHY WASHY IN HIS STATEMENT TO THE STAFF AND STUDENTS ABOUT WE'VE HEARD CLEARLY FROM OUR ELECTED LEADERS THAT WE'VE LOST OUR WAY AND LOST THE FAITH OF THE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I REALIZE HE HAS TO BE VERY DELICATE BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN BE VINDICTIVE.

BUT THEY NEED TO BE MORE LIKE HARVARD RATHER THAN BEING MORE CONCILIATORY.

>> THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

BOY, IS IT COMPLICATED.

THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS ARE SO INTERTWINED IN EVERYTHING.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES SIGN ON TO THAT LETTER DEFENDING HARVARD, INCLUDING ST. LOUIS UNIVERSITY WITH FRED.

>> YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM THESE PEOPLE.

>> AND THE GREAT UNIVERSITY IN THE UNITED STATES OF THE AMERICAN, UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS, HAS A LOT TO LOSE, LOSE PEOPLE LIKE ME, AND IT'S THE END OF THE UNIVERSITY.

>> DON'T SAY ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK.

>> WHY DON'T THEY EMPLOY THE SCHOOL BUSES STAYING IDLE DOWN TO THE ARENA SO THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE NEEDED AID.

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