>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO AMANPOUR & COMPANY, HERE IS WHAT IS COMING UP.

>> LET'S MAKE IT THE 51st STATE, AND INSTEAD OF A PRESIDENT, WE WILL HAVE AN ELECTION FOR GOVERNOR, HOW ABOUT THAT?

>> FROM VENEZUELA TO IRAN TO UKRAINE, PRESIDENT TRUMP RUNS THE NATIONAL ORDER.

WE ASK THE ATLANTIC AND APPELBAUM.

> >> PLUS, AN UNPRECEDENTED EBOLA OUTBREAK IN THE DRC PUTS AFRICA AND THE REST OF THE GLOBE ON EDGE.

AFRICA'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIAL AND THE W. H. O.

'S DR.

CATHERINE SMALLWOOD JOINED THE PROGRAM TO EXPLAIN WHAT COMES NEXT.

>> I WAS TRYING TO HOLD ON TO MY CAMERA GEAR.

BUT THEY YANKED IT OFF AND THEY WERE JUST KICKING ME AND HITTING ME AND THIS WAS LIKE GOING ON FOR OVER 10 MINUTES AT LEAST, LIKE I ESTIMATE.

>> STOPPED AND PUNCHED ON THE GROUND.

WASHINGTON POST JOURNALIST HEIDI LEVINE RECOUNTS HER ATTACK BY ISRAELI WEST BANK SETTLERS AND SPEAKS TO MICHELLE MARTIN ABOUT ESCORTING VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS THERE.

> >> AMANPOUR & COMPANY IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE ANDERSON FAMILY ENDOWMENTS, JIM ATTWOOD & LESLIE WILLIAMS , CANDICE KING WEIR, CHARLES ROSENBLUM, NORMA WARNER AND PAUL WARNER, MONIQUE SCHOEN WARSHAW, THE SYLVIA A.

& SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, THE STRAUS FAMILY FOUNDATION, THE PETER G. PETERSON & JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND, KOO & PATRICIA YUEN, COMMITTED TO BRIDGING CULTURAL DIFFERENCES IN OUR COMMUNITIES, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU, THANK YOU.

>> A WARM WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE, I AM IN NEW YORK, SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

FROM THE CAPTURE OF VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT NICOLAS MADURO TO THE WAR IN IRAN UPENDING THE LOCAL ECONOMY, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY HAS BEEN MARKED BY ONE CONTROVERSY AFTER ANOTHER.

IN VENEZUELA, THE PRESIDENT INSISTS AN OIL DEAL STRUCK WITH DELL C RODRIGUEZ'S GOVERNMENT WILL BRING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE TO AMERICANS AND VENEZUELANS.

THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT REMAIN OPAQUE.

WHILE THE U. S. HAS CALLED FOR ELECTIONS, IT HAS OFFERED LITTLE SUPPORT TO THE OPPOSITION LED BY, YOU SEE HER THERE, MARIA MACHADO, WHO RETURNED TO CARACAS ON SUNDAY AFTER NEARLY 11 MONTHS IN EXILE.

MEANWHILE, ON UKRAINE AND IRAN, TRUMPS ENVOY AND KUSHNER, HIS SON-IN-LAW, HAVE LARGELY STRUGGLED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

A RUSSIAN STRIKE KILLED AT LEAST 14 PEOPLE .

THAT WAS TODAY, EVEN AS FIRST LADY MELANIA TRUMP BROKERED A CEASE- FIRE IN THE RUSSIAN OCCUPIED TOWN.

AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALLUDED TO A RENEWAL OF KINETIC WARFARE WITH IRAN.

SO, IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACTING IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE U. S. AND THE WORLD?

AND WHERE DOES IT LEAVE FOREIGN POLICY --IT'S FOREIGN-POLICY STANDING, THAT IS, BEYOND ITS OWN BORDERS?

A STAFF WRITER ATLANTIC JOINS US NOW FROM NEW YORK.

IT IS REALLY GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM AGAIN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

OPPOSITION LEADER MARIA CORINA MACHADO, WE JUST SHOW THE VIDEO THERE, SHE IS BACK IN VENEZUELA.

U. S. SECRETARY OF STATE, THOUGH, MARCO RUBIO, WARNED HER OF INTERFERING WITH THESE ARE HIS WORDS, INTERFERING POLITICALLY.

HE SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STREET PROTEST YOUR WAY INTO A DEMOCRACY.

I AM WONDERING YOUR REACTION TO THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SPOKE TO IN VENEZUELA -- AND YOU WERE JUST THERE LAST MONTH, SAID, LOOK, THEY WANT TO SEE HER BACK ON THE GROUND.

>> WHAT VENEZUELANS WANT IS A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT.

THAT MEANS A GOVERNMENT THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN AND THAT IS RESPONSIBLE TO THEM.

WHAT THEY HAVE NOW IS THE LEFTOVERS OF THE MADURO REGIME , AND ACTUALLY MOST OF THE REGIME IS STILL IN PLACE.

MADURO'S VICE PRESIDENT, WHO IS CURRENTLY DOING VERY OPAQUE, UM, KLEPTOCRATIC DEALS WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHICH ARE NOT GOOD FOR VENEZUELANS.

THEY HAVE SEEN REALLY NO IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR SITUATION SINCE JANUARY, AND AREN'T NECESSARILY GOOD FOR AMERICANS EITHER.

THEY COULD WIND UP BEING GOOD FOR A FEW BUSINESS PEOPLE AROUND TRUMP AND AROUND RODRIGUEZ, BUT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T BENEFITING, SO THEY WANT A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS THEIR INTERESTS AT HEART, AND ALTHOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A TRANSITION PROCESS UNDERWAY IN VENEZUELA, IT HAS BEEN MOVING VERY SLOWLY.

IT HAS BEEN UNDERMINED BY TRUMP HIMSELF, BY AND SAYING THINGS LIKE I WANT VENEZUELA TO BE THE 51st STATE.

BY HIM TALKING ABOUT RODRIGUEZ AS A MARVELOUS LEADER WHO HE WORKS WELL WITH, AND BY THE CONTINUED ABSENCE OF MACHADO, WHO AS YOU KNOW, HAS ONLY JUST MANAGED TO RETURN AFTER BEING REPEATEDLY BLOCKED FROM RE- ENTERING THE COUNTRY, SO THEY WANT A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL BE THERE GOVERNMENT, AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT'S WHAT THE UNITED STATES WANTS.

DOES THE UNITED STATES STILL WANT A PARTNER IN VENEZUELA IN OUR HEMISPHERE, WHO CAN WORK WITH THE U. S. ON CRIMINAL ISSUES, ON ECONOMIC ISSUES, OR DOES IT WANT A COUNTRY THAT IS STILL UNDEMOCRATIC, BUT WHOSE LEADERS WILL WORK WITH CRONIES OF THE PRESIDENT?

>> YOU KNOW, ON MY MANY VISITS TO VENEZUELA, INCLUDING DURING THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, VENEZUELANS IN OPPOSITION DESCRIBED A CERTAIN BENEVOLENCE TO THE U. S. GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE.

YOU HAVING BEEN THERE NOW, IN TERMS OF YOUR WRITING, AND THIS IS A STARTLING COMMENT, "VENEZUELA IS SHAPING UP TO BE THE MOST EXTENSIVE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S CORRUPT SCHEMES. "

WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED?

>> IS SO, THERE ARE TWO WAYS IN WHICH THERE --THERE IS AN UGLY RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPING.

ONE IS THAT VENEZUELAN OIL -- THE PROFITS FROM VENEZUELAN OIL CURRENTLY GOING TO A BANK ACCOUNT IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE IS NO OPEN AUDIT OF THE ACCOUNT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO IT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY COMES OUT, GOES BACK TO VENEZUELA.

UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF THE MONEY.

THOMAS HAS ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, THEY ASKED THE TREASURY SECRETARY.

HE DOESN'T SAY.

AND REMEMBER THAT CAPACITY IN VENEZUELA HAS A BAD TASTE.

THERE BETTER GOVERNMENTS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE TRANSPARENT IN THE PAST, WHERE DEALS AROUND OIL WERE OPEN AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THEM, AND THE UNITED STATES HAS DONE THE OPPOSITE.

THE SECOND AND MAYBE MORE WORRYING PIECE OF IT IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION, HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED A MORE DIRECT OIL DEAL WITH A VENEZUELAN COMPANY, WHOSE CEO IS A NOTORIOUS FIGURE.

HE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REGIME, IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MISS MANDOLIN --MISMANAGEMENT OF THE ENERGY SYSTEM IN VENEZUELA, WHICH DOESN'T WORK TO THIS DAY.

HE HAS BEEN UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR MONEY LAUNDERING IN SWITZERLAND, AND SPAIN, HIS PROPERTIES IN SPAN WERE RATED JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

THIS IS THE PERSON WHO AMERICA WAS CHOSEN AS THEIR MAIN PARTNER, AND FOR VENEZUELANS, WHO AS YOU SAY, ARE INCLINED TO BE PRO-AMERICAN, THIS CAME AS A BIG SHOCK.

YOU KNOW, THE IMAGE OF THE UNITED STATES WAS THAT AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES WOULD COME BACK, THEY WOULD DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, THEY WOULD CLEAN UP AFTER THAT --AFTER THE CORRUPT REGIME, AND INSTEAD, WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN THIS IS VERY OPAQUE, STRANGE RELATIONSHIPS.

RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE RELATED WITH THE REGIME THEY WOULD WANT TO GET RID OF.

AND SO, IT HAS CREATED A QUESTION IN PEOPLE'S MIND, DOES THE U. S. WANT THE BEST FOR VENEZUELA?

AND ACTUALLY, AMERICANS SHOULD ASK, IS THIS GOOD FOR AMERICA?

DO WE WANT VENEZUELA TO DEVELOP AS A STABLE STATE WHERE AMERICAN COMPANIES CAN INVEST IN NORMALLY, OR DO WE WANT IT TO BECOME THE, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF PLAYGROUND FOR CRONIES OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?

AND THAT QUESTION, I SHOULD SAY, ECHOES AROUND THE WORLD.

YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE ASKING WHETHER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY IS CARRIED OUT ON BEHALF OF THE U. S. AND AMERICAN ALLIES AND SECURITY AND LONG-TERM INTERESTS OF AMERICANS, OR WHETHER IT IS BEING CARRIED OUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF JUST A FEW PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS THE QUESTION BEING ASKED OPENLY IN VENEZUELA, INCLUDING AS I SAY, BY PEOPLE WHO ARE HISTORICALLY PRETTY PRO- AMERICAN.

>> YEAH, AND QUITE A DEPARTURE , AMERICANS MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO LEARN, FROM WHATEVER KIND OF FOREIGN-POLICY, GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT THERE HAD BEEN TOWARDS VENEZUELA FOR BASICALLY THE ENTIRE CHAVISTA REGIME.

I AM WONDERING HERE, THE MARCO RUBIO OF ALL THIS, RIGHT?

THE SECRETARY OF STATE, I MEAN, MANY BELIEVE HE IS VERY INVOLVED IN WHAT'S GOING ON.

[ INAUDIBLE ] IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE HAS A TIMETABLE --WHY HE WOULD HAVE THE TIMETABLE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT HE WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT TO HAVE ELECTIONS RELATIVELY SOON?

>> SO, HE HAS REPEATEDLY SAID THERE WILL BE A TRANSITION.

HE HAS TALKED ABOUT THERE BEING PHASES OF IT.

THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN A PART OF THE OPPOSITION AND THE REGIME, NOT INCLUDING MACHADO OR HER PARTY, I SHOULD SAY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOT ALL VENEZUELANS CONSIDER THEM LEGITIMATE.

BUT HE HASN'T GIVEN A DATE.

HE HASN'T ENCOURAGED ANY TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE OIL DEALS.

HE DIDN'T DO MUCH TO HELP MACHADO RETURN , UM, IN FACT, SOMETHING THE ONLY REASON SHE IS RETURNING NOW IS BECAUSE THE FACT OF HER BEING OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY WAS SO UNPOPULAR THAT IT EVEN HAD AN EFFECT ON THE U. S. MIDTERMS.

THERE ARE SO MANY VENEZUELAN AMERICANS AND CUBAN-AMERICANS IN FLORIDA AND ELSEWHERE WHO ARE DISTRESSED BY THIS POLICY.

I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF VENEZUELANS WHOSE HOPES ARE PLACED IN MARCO RUBIO, THAT EVENTUALLY, HE WILL RETURN TO THE RHETORIC AND THE POLICE THAT HE HAS SEEMED TO HOLD IN THE PAST, WHERE YOU KNOW, COUNTRIES ARE BETTER RUN BY LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTS, BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS.

BUT HE HASN'T BEEN HURRYING THE PROCESS ALONG.

UM, AND THAT HAS CREATED SOME --THAT HAS CREATED THIS, YOU KNOW, CASCADES OF DOUBTS AND CONCERN ABOUT WHAT AMERICA'S REAL INTENTIONS ARE.

>> I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AS WELL JUST EXPLORE --YOU HAVE DONE SO MUCH REPORTING OBVIOUSLY IN RUSSIA, AND IF WE TURN TO RUSSIA, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION --AND WE CAN SEE THE THROUGH LINE, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MADE A NUMBER OF MOVES TO EASE PRESSURE ON MOSCOW.

AGAIN, IT INVOLVES DEALS DIRECTLY, TRANSACTIONAL THINGS, NOT DIPLOMATIC SIGNINGS, NOT INTERNATIONAL TREATIES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS DEALS HERE.

WHAT WAS IN IT FOR THE UNITED STATES?

>> DO SO, THIS IS ALMOST MORE EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE OF THE SAME THING.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE NEGOTIATING OF THE END OF THE UKRAINE WAR, WE HAVE TWO BUSINESSMEN, STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER, WHO ARE NOW KNOWN TO BE ALSO NEGOTIATING OTHER KINDS OF DEALS , TO DO WITH PIPELINES, TO DO WITH PROPERTY OF A RUSSIAN COMPANY CALLED [ INAUDIBLE ] OIL, MAYBE IT WITH DRILLING OR MINERALS IN THE ARCTIC.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THE TABLE, AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IF NOT THEM PERSONALLY, AND OTHERS IN THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD BENEFIT FROM THESE DEALS.

THIS HAS CAUSED MANY IN EUROPE AND UKRAINE AND ELSEWHERE TO QUESTION WHETHER THE ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY NEGOTIATING TOWARDS A GOOD END.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS NEGOTIATION?

IS IT TO PROLONG THE WAR?

IS IT TO ALLOW RUSSIA TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT?

IS THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO SOME PEOPLE.

OR IS IT REALLY TO END THE WAR?

AND REMEMBER THAT ENDING THE WAR IS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO THE STABILITY OF EUROPE, OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO THE U. S. STANDING IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, A VICTORY FOR RUSSIA OR A COLLAPSE OF THE UKRAINIAN FRONT- LINE WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC FOR AMERICAN ALLIES AND FOR AMERICA ITSELF , FOR OUR REPUTATION AS AN ALLY.

AND YET, THEY CONSTANTLY APPEAR TO BE ALMOST BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO HANDS MORE THINGS TO THE RUSSIANS.

THEY DON'T CRITICIZE RUSSIA, THEY DON'T PUT PRESSURE ON RUSSIA.

THEY HAVE ASKED THE UKRAINIANS TO STOP ATTACKING RUSSIAN OIL REFINERIES, BUT THEY DON'T ASK OR AT LEAST NOT PUBLICLY, THEY DON'T ASK THE RUSSIANS TO STOP HITTING UKRAINIAN --YOU KNOW, THE POWER GRID OR THE ELECTRICITY GRID.

AND SO, IT'S A VERY PECULIAR NEGOTIATION.

>> NOW, AND ANNE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE ISSUES WITH BRAZIL, WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE TO COVER HERE AT CNN.

IT HAS BEEN STARTLING FOR ME TO LOOK AT CNN POLLS AND OTHERS TO SEE THE ISSUE OF CORRUPTION , ACTUALLY PERCOLATING RIGHT TO THE TOP OF CONCERNS FOR U. S. VOTERS, AND GIVEN THAT, I WANT TO QUOTE YOU FROM YOUR ARTICLE IN THE ATLANTIC. "

FOR DECADES, WE HAVE TOLD OURSELVES THAT THE UNITED STATES REPRESENTS DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, AND FREE TRADE.

WE THOUGHT WE OPPOSED DICTATORS AND KLEPTOCRATS, THE LEADERS WHO STEAL FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE. "

HE POSED THE QUESTION, " WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE REALIZE THAT WE NO LONGER DO? "

>> SO, I THINK THERE IS A REASON WHY CORRUPTION IS RISING AS AN ISSUE.

AS AMERICANS START TO UNDERSTAND THAT FUNDAMENTALLY, WHAT IT MEANS IF YOU HAVE A CORRUPT SYSTEM IS THAT YOU HAVE POLITICAL LEADERS WHO ARE ACTING IN THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF AMERICANS.

NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THEY'RE SEEKING TO USE POLITICAL POWER FOR THEIR OWN ENDS.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST CLEARER IN FOREIGN-POLICY THAN IT IS ANYWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE THERE IS LESS COVERAGE OF IT, BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH MORE.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE IT IN RUSSIA, YOU CAN SEE IT IN VENEZUELA, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ELSEWHERE.

>> ANNE APPLEBAUM, WE ALWAYS WATCH YOUR REPORTING CLOSELY FOR GOOD REASON, AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE, ESPECIALLY AS WE PARSE THE RESULTS OF THE MIDTERMS AND THE OUTCOME OF MARIA CORINA MACHADO'S RETURN TO VENEZUELA, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

TWO AND NOW WE TURN TO AN INDIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE WAR ON IRAN.

THE RESURGENCE OF SOMALI PIRACY.

NOW, AS TENSIONS IN THE GULF REMAIN HIGH, SHIPPING COMPANIES ARE MORE OFTEN SENDING VESSELS ALONG THE SOMALI COAST.

AND WITH THAT COMES THE RISK OF BEING TAKEN COST --HOSTAGE AND HELD RANSOM.

CORRESPONDENT IVAN WATSON SPOKE TO SAILORS WHO SURVIVED ONCE HELD AT SEA, AND HE BRINGS US THIS REPORT NOW.

>> PRISONERS OF PIRATES FROM SOMALIA.

REMEMBERS TIED UP ON THE DECK OF THEIR OWN HIJACKED SHIP.

WE ARE NOT IDENTIFYING THEM BECAUSE PIRATES KILLED FIVE HOSTAGES MOMENTS AFTER THIS VIDEO WAS FILMED.

HE SURVIVED WITH A BULLET TO THE LEG.

>> I SAW SO MUCH BLOOD ON THE SHIP, I NEVER SAW SUCH A BLOODBATH.

>> HE WAS THE ENGINEER OF THE HONOR 25, A TANKER SHIP THAT WAS DELIVERING DIESEL TO SOMALIA ON THE 21st, THE DAY THE PIRATES ATTACKED.

>> DID YOU HAVE ANY WARNINGS, ANY PLANS FOR WHAT TO DO?

>> SAID NOTHING.

NOTHING.

NO WARNING, NO PLAN, NO SECURITY MEASURES.

>> NO [ INAUDIBLE ] ABOARD YOUR SHIP?

>> NO, NO GUARDS, NO [ INAUDIBLE ], NOTHING POINT >> SO, THEY GOT ON BOARD YOUR SHIP VERY EASILY?

>> A VERY EASY POINT >> THE HIJACKING OF THE HONOR 25 MARKED THE START OF A FIVE MONTH DEAL, DURING WHICH KHAN AND 16 OTHER CREW MEMBERS LIVED CONFINED ON THE BRIDGE OF THE SHIP.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] THEY ALWAYS TELL US TO SIT DOWN AND DON'T TALK.

>> THE HONOR 25 WAS ONE OF AT LEAST A HALF-DOZEN SHIPS CAPTURED BY SOMALI PIRATES AT ONE POINT THIS SUMMER.

>> IT SEEMS THAT THE PIRACY WENT AWAY, BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT IT IS NOT TRUE, THEY BASICALLY HAVE THE MY [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> A VILLAIN WAY THAT COMMANDS A EUROPEAN ANTIPIRACY OPERATION.

IT WAS FORMED 18 YEARS AGO WHEN PIRATES PLAGUED COMMERCIAL SHIPPING OFF THE SOMALI COAST.

AFTER A STRETCH FROM 2018 TO 2023 WITH VIRTUALLY NO ATTACKS REPORTED AT ALL, THE PIRATES NOW APPEAR TO BE BACK.

VILLANUEVA CALLS THIS LATEST ROUND AN INDIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE U. S. WAR WITH IRAN.

HOW HAS THE WAR BETWEEN THE U. S. AND IRAN, THE CRISIS AROUND THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASE IN PIRACY?

>> WE HAVE A THEORY THAT THERE IS A FACTOR.

BECAUSE THERE IS A FACTOR OF INSTABILITY AND WHERE THERE IS INSTABILITY, THE BAD BOYS AND THE PIRATES, THEY USE IT.

>> VILLANUEVA SAYS U. S. NAVY SHIPS THAT ONCE CONTRIBUTED TO ANTIPIRACY OPERATIONS ARE NOW BUSY IN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.

WHILE SOARING FUEL PRICES HAVE MADE TANKER SHIPS LIKE THE HONOUR 25 AND ITS CARGO MORE TEMPTING TARGETS FOR PIRATES.

SEVEN OF THE CREW MEMBERS HELD HOSTAGE WERE FROM KARACHI, A PAKISTANI PORT CITY ON THE ARABIAN SEA.

FOR MONTHS, THE FAMILIES HERE WERE POWERLESS TO DO ANYTHING, TO HELP THEIR LOVED ONES HELD AT GUNPOINT ON THEIR SHIP THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY, ACROSS THIS BODY OF WATER.

>> YOU SPOKE WITH THE PIRATES?

>> YES, THEY CALL ME AND THREATEN ME FOR MY HUSBAND.

>> YASIR KHAN HIS WIFE SHOWS ME SOME OF THE FRIGHTENING TEXTS SHE RECEIVED IN A WHATSAPP GROUP THAT SHE SAYS THE PIRATES CREATED FOR FAMILIES OF THE HOSTAGES.

ON THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 29th, KHAN SAYS THE PIRATES SUDDENLY DROPPED HIM AND AROUND A DOZEN OTHER CREW MEMBERS TO THIS CATWALK.

>> I WAS ON THE DECK TIED UP.

>> HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK?

>> YEAH, HANDS ON MY BACK AND SHIRTLESS AND TIED UP.

>> IT IS SAYS SOMALI SECURITY FORCES ABOARD ANOTHER COMMERCIAL SHIP WERE MOUNTING A RESCUE.

SOME PIRATES FLED IN SMALL BOATS.

>> ONE OF THE PIRATES, HIS NAME WAS ADAM.

[ INAUDIBLE ] SO, HE GET AN AK- 47, SHOOT THE INDONESIAN BOY.

HE LOAD IT AGAIN AND THE AK-47 [ INAUDIBLE ] AND FIRED [ INAUDIBLE ].

HE DIED ON THE SPOT.

>> KHAN SAYS THE GUNMAN ENDED UP IN A SHOOTING BATTLE AGAINST ONE OF HIS FELLOW PIRATES ON THE SHIP.

>> HERE AND ONE PIRATE IS HERE AND THEY WERE JUST SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER FOR 10 MINUTES?

>> YES, 10 MINUTES.

IN THAT CLASS, ALL THE PEOPLE GOT DEAD.

[ INAUDIBLE ] >> THE REMAINING PIRATES FINALLY FLED, LEAVING RESCUERS TO DEAL WITH THE DEAD AND WOUNDED.

>> [ CRYING ] >> THIS MONTH IN KARACHI, GRIEVING FAMILIES BEGAN BURYING THEIR LOVED ONES.

THOSE LUCKY TO MAKE IT HOME ALIVE FROM THE HONOUR 25 HAVE ONLY JUST BEGUN THE PROCESS OF HEALING.

>> DO YOU THINK YOU WILL EVER GO TO SEE AGAIN?

>> NO.

>> I CANNOT.

I CANNOT.

I CANNOT GO TO THE SEA AGAIN.

>> AWARDS AND PRIVACY ARE POSING NEW THREATS TO THE WORLD'S VITAL SEA LANES, MAKING THE WORK OF THE SEAFARERS WHO SHIP OUR GOODS MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER.

>> NOW TO AN UNPRECEDENTED OUTBREAK MOUNTING FEARS AND A DIRE WARNING.

EBOLA CASES IN THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO HAVE NOW SURPASSED 10,000 WITH MORE THAN 5000 PEOPLE LOSING THEIR LIVES TO THE VIRUS.

THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE CONGOLESE MINISTRY OF HEALTH.

NOW, THESE NUMBERS ARE UNLEASHING PANIC THAT THE DISEASE COULD SPREAD WELL BEYOND ITS EPICENTER.

NIGERIA'S FIRST CONFIRMED EBOLA PATIENT WAS EVACUATED TO SWITZERLAND FOR TREATMENT ON MONDAY.

AT ONE OF OUR NEXT GUESTS IS WARNING THE DISEASE COULD REACH THE UK.

DR.

[ INAUDIBLE ] KASEYA IS HEAD FOR AFRICA'S CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL, AND HE JOINS THE SHOW FROM ETHIOPIA.

AND FOR A PERSPECTIVE ON THE GROUND, DR.

CATHERINE SMALLWOOD, EBOLA INCIDENT MANAGER FOR THE W. H. O. JOINS US FROM THE DRC.

WE WILL GO TO YOU FIRST, DR.

KASEYA, THIS IS NOW THE FASTEST GROWING EBOLA EPIDEMIC EVER, DEADLIEST EVER IN THE DRC.

THE SCOPE REALLY IS PROFOUND.

YOU SAID NOBODY IS SAFE.

I MEAN, IN YOUR ESTIMATION, IS THIS A SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL, AND IF SO, WHY HAS IT GOTTEN TO THIS POINT?

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH .

THE 25th OF OCTOBER, I CONFIRMED A MEETING WITH ALL THE MINISTERS JOINED BY SEVERAL [ INAUDIBLE ], INCLUDING THE U. S. , TO DISCUSS THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS OUTBREAK.

WE AGREED YESTERDAY THAT THIS OUTBREAK IS NOT YET UNDER CONTROL FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

WE KNOW THAT IT IS SPREADING FROM COUNTRIES.

WE KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DYING AND NEW CASES COMING FROM COMMUNITY MODEL -- WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE CONTACT TRACING IS NOT WELL CONDUCTED.

THIS RESULTS LED FOR MINISTERS TO CALL FOR STRONG ACTION AND CROSS-BORDER ACTIVITIES.

WE ALSO CONGRATULATED KENYA AND THAT NIGERIA FOR THE EFFORT TO CONTAIN THIS OUTBREAK SO FAR POINT >> YEAH, CONCERNING WHEN YOU TELL US AS WELL THAT IT CONTINUES TO SPREAD.

DR.

SMALLWOOD, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, CAN YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE?

HOW IS IT PRESENTING, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS STILL SPREADING SO QUICKLY, AND YOU KNOW, TO REALLY GIVE US A SENSE OF THE TRAUMA IN SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES?

>> THANK YOU AND GREAT TO BE ON THE PROGRAM.

AND INDEED, AS JEAN KASEYA SAYS, THIS IS AN OUTBREAK OF A HUGE MAGNITUDE .

IN A HUGE COUNTRY LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO, IT HAS ALREADY AFFECTED EIGHT PROVINCES.

LARGE AMOUNTS OF THESE PROVINCES, SIX OF THEM ARE IN THE NORTHEAST OF THE COUNTRY.

AND THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS CHARACTERIZED BY MINING, HIGH LEVEL OF POPULATION MOBILITY, A LOT OF CONFLICT , ARMED GROUPS, AND A LOT OF VULNERABILITY IN THE HEALTH SYSTEM, SO THIS OUTBREAK HAS SPREAD QUICKLY PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE MOBILITY OF THE POPULATION.

BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT WAS DETECTED LATE, AND SO, IT REALLY GOT A HEAD START.

IN TERMS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, IT IS AFFECTING FAMILIES.

IT IS AFFECTING MOTHERS, IT'S AFFECTING CHILDREN .

A VERY HIGH PROPORTION OF THE DEBTS ARE IN CHILDREN OVER FIVE, SO CHILDREN ARE PARTICULARLY AFFECTED.

AND IT IS AFFECTING COMMUNITIES AND MINING COMMUNITIES, RURAL COMMUNITIES, LARGE CITIES.

BUT THE POSITIVE SIDE OF IT IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THE BIGGEST EPICENTERS OF THIS OUTBREAK , THE CASES HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN AND DOWN AND DOWN.

PLACES LIKE BUNIA, WHICH IS A LARGE CITY.

PLACES LIKE [ INAUDIBLE ] , WHICH WERE THE FIRST EPICENTERS, THERE, THE CASES ARE COMING DOWN.

BUT WE HAVE SEEN THE VIRUS SPREAD TO EVER ORDER TO REACH [ INAUDIBLE ] OF COMMUNITIES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE GREATEST CHALLENGE IS NOW.

>> AND YET, YOU WERE RIGHT TO POINT OUT THE WHOLE, BECAUSE IT IS BEING MITIGATED IN THIS CENTERS WHERE WE WERE USED TO SEEING THE REPORTS, ESPECIALLY IN PLACES LIKE BUNIA.

DR.

KASEYA, SCIENTISTS ARE WORKING ON A VACCINE FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRAIN, BECAUSE THERE ALREADY IS A VACCINE FOR THE OTHER STRAIN.

NSF 'S IS THE FIRST CLINICAL TRIAL VACCINATION, CORRECT ME IF WE ARE WRONG, HAPPENED ON MONDAY.

HOW FAR ALONG IS A VACCINE, AND IS THIS REALISTIC FOR YOU IN TERMS OF A SOLUTION GOING FORWARD?

IF NOT THIS YEAR, THE NEXT?

>> YEAH, SO FAR, WE ARE CONDUCTING [ INAUDIBLE ] FOR VACCINE, AND YOU KNOW WE MANAGED TO GET SOME VACCINES FOR THE COMPASSIONATE USE.

[ INAUDIBLE ] AND WE ARE ELECTING THE SAMPLES TO SEE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF [ INAUDIBLE ].

AND THIS EVIDENCE WILL LEAD TO MANUFACTURE A HUGE QUANTITY OF THIS VACCINE.

BUT WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH MODERNA, WITH OXFORD FOR THE DETECTED BUNDIBUGYO VACCINES, AND WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS CLINICAL PHASE , AND MY COLLEAGUES WERE WORKING ON THAT, AND WHEN THEY DISCUSSED ALSO WITH MANUFACTURERS, WE ARE HAVING AN IDEA OF THREE TO SIX MONTHS TO HAVE THE FIRST OUTCOME OF THIS CLINICAL TRIAL.

IT MEANS I WILL NOT MAKE A COMMITMENT TO A VACCINE DETECTED TO THE BUNDIBUGYO BEFORE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

IF WE ARE LUCKY, TO BE BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS, BUT LET US SAY AFTER SIX MONTHS, WE COULD HAVE AN IDEA IF WE COULD HAVE A VACCINE FOR BUNDIBUGYO.

>> AND THAT IS INDEED STILL HOPEFUL AND A GOOD SIGN ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING THE SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME, WE ARE ALL HOPING FOR THAT.

DR.

SMALLWOOD, ONE SERIOUS ISSUE HAS BEEN HEALTHCARE WORKERS.

JUST THIS WEEK, I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN, AND WRITERS REPORTED THIS, THAT A MACHETE WIELDING MOB ATTACKED AND KILLED A NURSE.

WE HAD SEEN THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE OUTBREAKS.

YOU KNOW, SOME HEALTHCARE WORKERS ARE SHELTERING AT HOSPITALS UNDER GUARD.

CAN YOU REALLY EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IS DRIVING THIS SUSPICION AND WHY WE ARE STILL SEEING IT ?

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS THAT ARE SO NEEDED IN THIS KIND OF AN OUTBREAK.

>> IT'S VERY EASY TO BLAME THE COMMUNITIES AND TO CALL IT OUT AS VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AND COMMUNITY RESISTANCE, BUT THE FACT IS THAT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT THIS VIRUS IS AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HAD LAYERS AND LAYERS OF EMERGENCE IS, CONFLICT, HARASSMENT FROM ARMED GROUPS, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT HAND TO MOUTH LIVING CONDITIONS, VULNERABLE HEALTH SYSTEMS.

SO, TO EXPECT THEM TO NECESSARILY BE WELCOMING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BEHOLD, BUT ARE COMING AT A TIME WHERE THEY MAY ACTUALLY THINK OF WHERE WERE YOU FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER PROBLEMS, I THINK THERE IS REAL CHALLENGES, AND THE VIOLENCE IS A REAL AND UNACCEPTABLE.

NO HEALTH WORKER ON MY TEAM OR ON ANY OF THE PARTNERS OR THE NATIONAL TEAMS WORKFORCE SHOULD BE AFFECTED BY VIOLENCE.

AND YET, IT'S HAPPENING.

OUR TEAMS, WE HAD TO MOVE THEM THREE TIMES IN THE PAST FIVE DAYS BECAUSE OF THREATS OF VIOLENCE OR VIOLENCE THAT WERE OCCURRING.

THE INCIDENT YOU MENTIONED, UM, OUR TEAMS WERE THERE AT THE TIME AND WERE MOVED OUT OF THE AREA FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF MISINFORMATION.

IT'S ALSO A COMBINATION OF US NOT LISTENING ENOUGH TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO STRENGTHEN IN THIS RESPONSE.

WE NEED TO SIT WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND BUILD THIS RESPONSE TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE THEM TELL US HOW THEY WANT THE RESPONSE TO BE RUNNING.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE ARE THREATS AGAINST RESPONSE TEAMS.

AND SO, THIS IS WHERE --IN PARTICULAR WHERE THERE IS A HIGH NUMBER OF CASES, THIS VIOLENCE IS ALSO MATCHED WITH MISINFORMATION AND RUMORS ABOUT THE DISEASE ITSELF.

SO, THIS VIOLENCE GOES SIDE-BY- SIDE WITH PEOPLE HIDING CASES IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT ADHERING OR ACCESSING CARE IN THE APPROPRIATE MANNER, AND THIS ALL NEEDS TO INCREASE THE TRANSMISSION.

>> YEAH, IT'S INCREDIBLE TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, DR.

SMALLWOOD.

ESPECIALLY, THERE IS THE EPIDEMIC OF MISINFORMATION, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PLAYING A PART, AND THE FACT THAT THESE HEALTHCARE WORKERS, THEY ARE ALREADY IN DANGER, JUST BEING EXPOSED TO THIS VIRUS AND THE DISEASE, AND THEN TO HAVE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, VIOLENT CRIME THAT THEY ARE NEEDING TO RUN FROM, I REALLY STRUCK BY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DR.

SMALLWOOD.

DR.

KASEYA, YOU REALLY SOUNDED THE ALARM THIS WEEK.

WERE YOU DISAPPOINTED WITH THE WAY THE GLOBAL ATTENTION HAS BEEN SO FAR?

ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED IN THE KIND OF FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN WERE DEDICATED TO THIS CRISIS?

I MEAN, WHAT YOU THINK ACCOUNTS FOR THE POSTURE THAT EVEN GLOBAL HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TAKEN TO THIS NOW?

>> LET ME FIRST SAY THAT WHEN WE DECLARED THIS OPERATE ON THE 15th OF MAY, WE SAID THIS OUTBREAK WILL BE LED BY AFRICANS IN AFRICA FOR AFRICANS WHO SUFFERED FROM [ INAUDIBLE ].

WE GOT $3 BILLION FROM OUR PARTNERS.

IT'S HUGE, BUT THE DISBURSEMENT IS AROUND 1 BILLION.

THERE IS A GIFT OF $2 BILLION.

WE ARE CALLING OUR PARTNERS TO FULFILL THEIR COMMITMENT.

BECAUSE YES, THERE IS --WE SAW AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE SEE THAT THERE IS A SHIFT OF THE EPICENTER FROM [ INAUDIBLE ], AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS OUTBREAK SPREADING TO OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THIS IS WHY WE REALLY NEED THE SUPPORT NOW.

SECOND, WE ARE ALSO CALLING BECAUSE SOME OF THIS MONEY OR MOST OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO IMPLEMENTING PARTNERS.

WE ARE PULLING FOR TRANSPARENCY.

MANY TIMES, WESTERN COUNTRIES, THEY'RE TEACHING US IN AFRICA ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT IS TIME FOR US TO TELL THEM WE NEED ALSO YOU TO [ INAUDIBLE ].

I THINK WHEN THEY APPLY THAT, WE GIVE THE OPTION TO GOVERNMENT TO LEAD BY COMMITTING ALL OF THIS EFFORT, I'M SURE WE CAN STOP THIS OUTBREAK.

>> AND DR.

KASEYA, CAN YOU CLEAR SOMETHING UP FOR US, EARLIER THIS MONTH, HE SAID MORE THAN $700 MILLION IN A BOWL OF FUNDS WERE UNACCOUNTED OR IN CONGO.

BUT YOU STOPPED SHORT OF CALLING IT EMBEZZLEMENT.

I MEAN, WHAT MORE DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE FUNDS AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT HAMPERS DONORS TO GIVE MORE TO THIS -- TO THIS OUTBREAK?

>> WELL, [ INAUDIBLE ] ON THE 15th OF OCTOBER.

WE KNEW FROM DONORS THAT THEY ALREADY RELEASED NONE OF THE $62 MILLION, BUT THE GOVERNMENT OF DRC [ INAUDIBLE ] .

THEN THE DIFFERENCE WAS $700 MILLION.

[ INAUDIBLE ] WITHOUT KNOWING WHO GOT MONEY, WHERE THIS MONEY IS GOING, WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT WE ARE PROVIDING.

THIS IS WHY I DECIDED TO RAISE MY VOICE AND SAY WE NEED TO SEE THE $700 MILLION.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FOOD, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MISUSE.

BUT LET ME GIVE YOU THE GOOD NEWS.

AFTER ALMOST 14 DAYS, TODAY, I HAVE THE VISIBILITY OF NOT $700 MILLION, BUT $820 MILLION.

IT MEANS PEOPLE SAID THERE IS [ INAUDIBLE ], RAISING THEIR VOICE, SAYING THEY WILL NOT HAVE PEOPLE THAT BUSINESS IN AFRICA AGAIN.

TODAY, THE MEMBERS OF THE DRC GOT [ INAUDIBLE ].

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT .

WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ALREADY USED, AND WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE [ INAUDIBLE ] THAT WE HAVE IN A FEW DAYS.

>> YEAH, DR.

KASEYA, YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL INCREDIBLY, I AM JUST TRYING TO TAKE ALL THIS IN ALONG WITH OUR VIEWERS.

JUST ALL THE ADVERSITY BOTH OF YOU ARE FACING.

DR.

SMALLWOOD, THE LAST WORD TO YOU.

I MEAN, LOOK, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, RIGHT, ABOUT PEOPLE HIDING PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, THIS HAS A KNOCK ON EFFECT, WHAT ARE YOUR FEARS ABOUT THE GENERAL HEALTH SITUATION FOR PEOPLE ALREADY DEALING WITH SUCH CHALLENGES ON THE GROUND THERE?

>> YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AGREE VERY MUCH WITH DR.

JEAN KASEYA'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEED TO REALLY STOP THAT OUTBREAK HERE IN DRC.

AS YOU STARTED THIS SESSION, YOU ALERTED THE FACT THAT OVER 10,000 CONFINED CASES HERE IN THE COUNTRY, THE FASTEST GROWING OUTBREAK EVER.

WE SHOULDN'T BE WAITING FOR ONE CASE TO TURN UP IN OTHER COUNTRIES BEFORE PUTTING MORE EFFORT TO STOPPING THE OUTBREAK WHERE IT IS SPREADING.

AND IT'S TO THOSE PEOPLE HERE , IT'S THE CONGOLESE COMMUNITIES, THE VERY VULNERABLE CONGOLESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SUFFERING OVER DECADES OF WAVES AND WAVES OF THINGS HAPPENING TO THEM.

WE OWE IT TO THEM .

THERE ARE CLOSE TO 5000 DEAD ALREADY.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE RESPONSE NEEDS TO BE SCALED UP.

>> DR.

SMALLWOOD, DR.

KASEYA, WE THANK YOU BOTH AND WE WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS WITH COMMUNITIES , AS YOU SAID, STILL IN THE EPICENTER OF THIS.

THANKS TO YOU BOTH.

> >> SO, AS ISRAEL AWAITS NEWS ON AN INCONCLUSIVE ELECTION, MANY PALESTINIANS IN OCCUPIED WEST BANK SEE LITTLE HOPE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE.

NOW, THE OLIVE HARVEST HAS BEGUN, AND WITH IT, A NEW SPATE OF ATTACKS BY ISRAELI SETTLERS, SOME WITH THE PARTICIPATION OF ISRAELI FORCES, THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE U. N. AND AS THE VIOLENCE GETS WORSE, SO TOO DOES THE DANGER TO THOSE DOCUMENTING IT.

JUST LAST NIGHT, WITNESSES SAY AN AMERICAN JOURNALIST AND A RUSSIAN IS REALLY ACTIVISTS WERE ASSAULTED BY SETTLERS.

BOTH HAVING BEEN ALONGSIDE VETERAN WASHINGTON POST REPORTER HEIDI LEVINE WHEN SHE WAS BEATEN BY SETTLERS TWO WEEKS AGO.

WELL, HEIDI TAKES MICHELLE MARTIN BACK TO THAT BRUTAL DAY AND REVEALS WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE, AND WE DO WANT TO WARN YOU, I HAVE HAD TROUBLE WATCHING THIS VIDEO MYSELF, THAT SOME OF THE DESCRIPTIONS IN THE VIDEO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, YOU CAN FIND QUITE DISTURBING.

>> THANKS, PAULA, HEIDI LEVINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

CAN I JUST START BY ASKING YOU, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COVERING THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN SITUATION?

I MEAN, YOU CURRENTLY LIVE THERE, YOU LIVE IN ISRAEL, SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COVERING THIS?

>> I HAVE BEEN COVERING THIS SINCE 1983.

THAT'S A LONG TIME, IT'S DECADES.

OVER FOUR DECADES.

AND SADLY, I JUST THINK THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEEN QUITE A LOT OF THINGS, I MEAN, YOU HAVE SEEN CONFLICT AND YOU ALSO SEE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT EASY TO TALK ABOUT, BUT COULD YOU JUST TAKE US BACK TO THAT FRIDAY MORNING IN THE VILLAGE ?

YOU WERE THERE, PHOTOGRAPHING THE OLIVE HARVEST.

WHY WERE YOU THERE THAT PARTICULAR DAY?

>> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TIME --A JOYOUS TIME FOR FAMILIES.

IT IS THE LIVELIHOOD FOR THE PEOPLE , THE OLIVE HARVEST.

THEY DEPEND ON THE OLIVE OIL AND OLIVES FINANCIALLY .

IT'S A PART OF THEIR CULTURE.

AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS JUST WHEREVER YOU LOOK ON THE HILL, YOU SEE AN ILLEGAL OUTPOST.

UM, AND I ARRANGED WITH ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TO GO TOGETHER, BECAUSE SITUATION IN THE WEST BANK FOR JOURNALISTS HAS BECOME EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

WE NO LONGER PUT PRESS SIGNS ON OUR GUARD LIKE WE USED TO, BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF BEING ATTACKED BY SETTLERS.

THERE WATCHING YOU WITH DRONES, THERE WATCHING YOU WITH BINOCULARS.

THEY ARE ON HILLTOPS.

THEY RADIO AHEAD TO EACH OTHER.

IF THEY SPOT A JOURNALIST IN THE AREA.

THEY AMBUSHED PALESTINIAN CARS ON THE ROAD.

SO BASICALLY, WE MET EARLY MORNING.

WE LEFT TEL AVIV AT 6:00, WE ARRIVED IN [ INAUDIBLE ] TO MEET OTHER JOURNALISTS AROUND 7:15.

WE WANTED TO CONVOY TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE ARRIVED SAFELY.

THE DAY BEFORE, THE IDF TOLD THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE FLOOD , THAT THEY HAD PERMISSION TO GO TO THEIR TREES AND HARVEST.

SO, THIS WAS ALL COORDINATED WITH THE IDF.

WHEN WE GOT THERE, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY ISRAELI MILITARY IN THE AREA.

AND IN THE BEGINNING, LIKE FOR THE FIRST HALF AN HOUR, 40 MINUTES, THINGS SEEMED OKAY.

UM, IT WAS ONLY REALLY MEN WORKING.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR TYPICAL OLIVE HARVEST IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE WOULD MAKE A WHOLE DAY PICNIC OUT OF IT, BRING THE CHILDREN, BRING NEWBORN BABIES, THEY WOULD BE SLEEPING UNDER A TREE ON A BLANKET.

IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE AND IT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL.

BUT ON THAT DAY, THE MEN WERE WORKING LIKE AT TRIPLE SPEED.

TO TRY TO HARVEST TREES.

THERE WERE A LOT OF JOURNALISTS.

AND WE WERE ACTUALLY UNDER THE SHADOW OF AN OUTPOST ACROSS LIKE --ACROSS THE WAY.

AND YOU COULD SEE, UM, LIKE A TENT.

AND AFTER ABOUT 40 MINUTES, WE ALL STARTED TO NOTICE THAT MEN WERE GATHERING ON THE HILLTOP.

THEY WERE WEARING BLACK MASKS, THEY WERE HOLDING SLINGSHOTS, AND THEIR NUMBERS , WITHIN LIKE HALF AN HOUR, JUST KEPT GROWING AND GROWING.

AND THEN HE BASICALLY LIKE FILLED THE WHOLE TOP OF THE HILL.

>> ABOUT HOW MANY DO YOU THINK THERE WERE?

HE SAID THE NUMBERS KEPT GROWING.

>> I MEAN, WE STARTED WITH MAYBE LIKE THE DOZEN, AND I WOULD ESTIMATE ABOUT 70 AT THE TIME.

>> AND HOW OLD WERE THEY?

YOU COULD TELL --YOU SAID THEY WERE WEARING MASKS.

[ INAUDIBLE ] >> YOU COULD SEE THE SKULLCAPS.

YOU COULD TELL THAT THEY WERE YOUNGER, THEY LOOK LIKE TEENAGERS.

>> DID THERE SEEM TO BE SOME SORT OF SIGNAL OR SOMETHING OR WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WELL, THEY STARTED TO BURN TREES, OLIVE TREES ON TOP OF THE HILL.

AND THEN THEY STARTED TO MOVE DOWN LIKE ABOUT 100 METERS AND TAKE A POSITION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HILL.

AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, MEN STARTED TO GATHER UP THERE TARPS AND ALL THEIR BAGS OF OLIVES THAT THEY MANAGED TO COLLECT, AND TRY TO LIKE START TO EVACUATE THE AREA.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY CHARGED DOWN THE HILL.

THERE WAS --TO THE LEFT OF ME, I COULD SEE TEARGASSED AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE MOLOTOV COCKTAIL EXPLOSIONS.

BUT IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN FIRECRACKERS ON THE PALESTINIAN SIDE AS A RESPONSE.

AND ALL THIS COMMOTION, AND I WAS TRYING TO LIKE, UM, MOVE TO BE LIKE BEHIND THE PALESTINIANS , SAFELY.

BUT IT WAS VERY CHAOTIC AS WELL BECAUSE I WAS ALSO HEARING GUNSHOTS.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, LIKE, UM, HUNDRED METERS AWAY FROM ME , I SAW THEM.

AND THEY HAD CLUBS IN THEIR HAND AND THEY JUST RAN TOWARDS ME.

AND I CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER IF I TOOK THE POSITION ON THE GROUND OR STORMED TO THE GROUND FIRST, BUT ALL I KNOW IS I PUT MY HEAD --FACE TO THE DIRT, AND IT WAS LIKE I HAD CAMERAS ON EACH OF MY SHOULDERS, AND I WAS TRYING TO HOLD ONTO MY CAMERA GEAR.

LIKE THEY YANKED IT OFF.

AND THEY WERE JUST KICKING ME AND HITTING ME , AND THIS WAS LIKE GOING ON FOR OVER 10 MINUTES AT LEAST.

LIKE I ESTIMATE.

I KNOW THEY WERE TRYING TO ROB ME AND GET MY GEAR AND MY BAGS , AND IN THE PROCESS, THEY ALSO BROKE MY NECKLACE OFF ME, AND, UM, I HAD TWO RINGS ON THIS FINGER WHICH ARE TOTALLY SQUISHED FROM THEM SMASHING ME.

THIS FINGER HAD SURGERY AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY SKIN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ANYMORE.

[ INAUDIBLE ] ANYWAYS, SO, WHEN THEY STOOD ME UP, IT'S NOT TRUE WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID IN HIS TWEET THAT IT APPEARED THEY WERE HELPING ME.

THEY ONLY STOOD ME UP SO THEY COULD --THEY COULD ROB ME.

AND THEN THEY THREW ME BACK ON THE GROUND AND STARTED TO KICK ME AND --AND HIT ME, AND I HAD FOUR STAB WOUNDS IN MY PELVIC AREA.

I HAD TWO DOCTORS AND A NURSE, I BELIEVE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A NIGHT OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THEIR STICKS.

>> DID THEY SAY ANYTHING WHILE THIS WAS HAPPENING TO YOU?

WERE THERE ANY WORDS EXCHANGED?

>> NOT REALLY.

NOT REALLY, NO.

AND LIKE I KNEW THAT WASN'T GOING TO REALLY HELP ME TO HAVE A DIALOGUE.

THEY ARE MONSTERS, THEY ARE NOT HUMAN IN MY OPINION.

I HAVE BEEN REALLY INVESTING A LOT OF TIME LISTENING TO, UM, MEETING OTHER VICTIMS AND LISTENING TO THEIR STORIES.

NOW I CAN -- I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND.

>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE PRESS WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED OR WERE THEY ATTACKING EVERYONE THERE?

>> I REMEMBER BEING OUT AND CNN WAS ATTACKED.

THEIR CAR WAS ATTACKED.

I MEAN, THEY DEFINITELY WILL ATTACK ACTIVISTS, THEY WILL ATTACK JOURNALISTS, THEY WILL GO AFTER PALESTINIAN GRANDMOTHERS.

I MEAN, THEY WILL GO AFTER EVERYONE.

I MET A MAN WHO HAD BEEN ATTACKED, A DEAF, DISABLED MAN IN HIS 80s, OKAY?

CAN YOU IMAGINE, LIKE HOW DO PEOPLE DO SUCH A THING TO PEOPLE?

I MEAN, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE ARE GETTING TO SEE WHAT ACTUAL POGROMS WERE LIKE FOR THE JEWS, AND HOW CAN JEWISH PEOPLE BE DOING THIS OF ALL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW?

>> DID YOU SEE ANY ISRAELI POLICE OR ANY ARMY, DID ANY AUTHORITIES INTERVENE AT ANY POINT?

>> NO.

THEY WERE VERY CLOSE BY BECAUSE I SAW THE IMAGES LATER THAT MY COLLEAGUES TOOK.

THEY SHOT A MAN.

I MEAN, THEY CHARGED FORWARD WITH THE SETTLERS, AND THE QUESTION IS WHERE WERE THEY THE WHOLE MORNING?

WHY DID THEY ALLOW THIS GATHERING OF THE JEWISH SETTLERS TO EVEN HAPPEN?

THEY GAVE THE PALESTINIANS THE PERMISSION THE DAY BEFORE TO HARVEST THEIR TREES, SO THE ARMY KNEW THIS EVENT WAS HAPPENING.

IT WAS COORDINATED WITH PERMISSION.

>> SO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WHEN THE ISRAELI ARMY OR THE AUTHORITIES SHOWED UP, THEY ATTACKED PALESTINIANS ALSO, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> THEY SHOT A MAN IN HIS LEG.

>> THEY SHOT A PALESTINIAN?

>> THEY STARTED FIRING TEAR GAS, BUT THEY HAD THE SETTLERS ALL AROUND THEM.

INSTEAD OF LIKE TRYING TO ARREST THE SETTLERS, WHO ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE, [ INAUDIBLE ] THE WEST BANK.

UNDER ISRAELI LAW, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE, BUT I MEAN, THE ARMY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THEM.

>> HOW DID THE ATTACK END, DID THEY FINALLY RETREAT?

>> ON, TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES, TWO TRIED RESCUING ME, AND WHEN THEY DID --AND THIS WAS AFTER LIKE WATCHING THIS FOR 10 MINUTES, UM, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO INTERVENE.

BUT WHEN THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WE CAME UNDER ATTACK AGAIN BY THE SETTLERS.

AND A GROUP OF MEN, PALESTINIAN MEN, STEPPED IN FRONT OF US, AND TRYING TO FIGHT THE JEWISH SETTLERS , ATTACK OFF.

AND I COULD BARELY WALK.

THEY WERE TELLING, COME, COME, LET'S RUN, RUN.

IT REALLY WAS A SCENE OUT OF THE BIBLE.

>> WE CAN STILL SEE THAT YOU ARE RECOVERING, YOUR FINGER REQUIRED SURGERY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALSO HAD BROKEN RIBS, BROKEN VERTEBRA, YOU HAD STAB WOUNDS, WHICH I THINK REQUIRED STITCHES.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> A SMALL FRACTURE IN MY ANKLE.

THE ONLY THING --PLACE IN MY BODY THAT DIDN'T HURT WAS MY HEAD.

I THINK BECAUSE I WORE MY HELMET AND BLACK JACKET, IT DEFINITELY SAVED MY LIFE.

I KIND OF FEEL ALMOST LIKE I HAVE A LITTLE SNEAK PREVIEW OF MY FUNERAL, BECAUSE --IN A REALLY STRANGE WAY, BECAUSE THE SUPPORT COMING FROM SO MANY PEOPLE.

FROM MY COLLEAGUES AT THE WASHINGTON POST, MY COLLEAGUES HERE, BOTH PALESTINIAN AND ISRAELI AND A LOT OF ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO ME .

THERE WERE LETTERS SENT TO ME, FORMER MOSSAD PEOPLE, COMMANDERS.

>> AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING?

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING IN THESE LETTERS?

>> HOW EMBARRASSED AND HOW THESE PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT THEM.

AND THAT IS THE THING.

I MEAN, I THINK SADLY, WHEN ANYONE IN THE WORLD THINKS OF ISRAELIS, THEY DO THINK OF THEM, RIGHT?

BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE NEWS ALL THE TIME AND THEY ARE DOING SUCH HORRIFIC THINGS.

IT'S HAPPENING EVERY DAY, THERE IS SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE INCIDENT.

IT IS MANY INCIDENTS ON A DAILY BASIS, AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

>> SO, THE PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU, HIS OFFICE --HIS OFFICE CONDEMNED THE VIOLENCE, BUT QUESTIONED WHAT HAPPENED.

IN ITS ORIGINAL STATEMENT, THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE SAID ISRAEL UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE, JEWS, ARABS, CHRISTIANS, OR JOURNALISTS.

I PROMISED THOSE RESPONSES WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ONCE THE FACTS ARE ESTABLISHED.

YOU ALREADY SAID THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT SHOW THE FOOTAGE SHOWING YOU APPEARING TO BE HELPED AT YOUR FEET BY THE PERSON THAT KNOCKED YOU DOWN AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT IS JUST NONSENSE.

>> IT IS STATEMENT --IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR ME THAT HE STAYED SILENT, BECAUSE ISRAEL SLAPPED IN MY FACE --IT WAS LIKE GETTING KICKED AGAIN, HONESTLY.

I GOT --THE PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL, [ INAUDIBLE ] , TO APOLOGIZE.

MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO VISIT.

THIS WAS --THIS WAS ANOTHER ATTACK ON ME.

IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER BOOT IN MY RIBS.

>> THE ISRAELI POLICE ARRESTED --ARRESTED 10 SUSPECTS IN INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING YOUR ATTACK, AND A SEPARATE ASSAULT ON EUROPEAN DIPLOMATS, BUT NINE OF THOSE WHO WERE ARRESTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE ATTACK ON YOU WERE SUBSEQUENTLY RELEASED TO HOUSE ARREST .

JUST ONE IS REMAINING IN CUSTODY, AND THAT --I'M JUST INTERESTED IN YOUR REACTION TO THIS .

>> NOT SURPRISED.

BECAUSE [ INAUDIBLE ] CATCH THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAN I MET LIVING IN THE JORDAN VALLEY THAT WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.

HIS TESTICLES TIED TOGETHER WITH ZIP TIES AND PARADED AROUND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, INCLUDING CHILDREN.

NO, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE.

NOTHING HAS BEEN FOUND.

NONE OF MY DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN FOUND, NONE OF MY CAMERAS.

I MEAN, I LOST EVERYTHING.

I JUST LEARNED ALSO BECAUSE CORRESPONDENCE IN THE POST WENT BACK TO THE VILLAGE TOGETHER WITH OUR OTHER CORRESPONDENT, AND THEY ACTUALLY MET A FAMILY THAT LIVED VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I WAS ATTACKED THAT HAD SEEN TV FOOTAGE FROM THAT ATTACK, AND SPOKE ABOUT THEIR 10-YEAR-OLD SON WHO TRIED TO STOP THE ATTACK AND WENT OUT TRYING TO THROW STONES AT THEM TO SAVE ME.

CAN YOU IMAGINE?

>> YOU -- >> PEOPLE ARE LIVING LIKE WITH BARBED WIRE SURROUNDING THEIR HOMES AND --TO PROTECT THEM FROM THESE ATTACKS.

THEY ARE SITTING AT HOME, LOOKING AT SCREENS , INSTEAD OF WATCHING SOMETHING ON TV, THERE SURVEILLING, MAKING SURE NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BREAK INTO THEIR HOME AND BURN THEM TO DEATH.

THIS IS HOW PEOPLE ARE SPENDING THEIR TIME.

>> ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS, FROM JANUARY THROUGH AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, MORE THAN 1000 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN INJURED IN SETTLER ATTACKS.

AS WE ARE SPEAKING NOW, ISRAEL IS IN THE MIDDLE OF SORT OF COUNTING THE VOTES OF THE MOST RECENT ELECTION.

WAS THERE ANY SIGN OVER THE COURSE OF THE SELECTION THAT THERE IS ANY WILL TO ADDRESS THIS?

>> [ INAUDIBLE ] CAME TO VISIT ME IN THE HOSPITAL.

AND THE LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I KNOW , YOU KNOW, I THINK I ALSO PUT OUT A STATEMENT.

BUT WITH NOW THE ELECTION, I -- I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE WEST BANK.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

>> WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

>> IT'S JUST SO LAWLESS NOW, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

AND I'M SEEING ISRAELI SOLDIERS , RESERVISTS THAT HAVE BEEN RADICALIZED BY THESE SETTLERS, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY ON THEIR SIDE .

I MEAN, I HAVE TALKED TO THEM.

AND YOU SEE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO --HERE THEY ARE IN THESE ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS, RIGHT, AND THEN I AM PHOTOGRAPHING THEM PRAYING TOGETHER WITH HIS PEOPLE OR HAVING LUNCH TOGETHER WITH THESE PEOPLE, AND, UM, AND -- OR ESCORTING THEM THROUGH VILLAGES WHILE THEY STEAL PEOPLE'S SHEEP AND GOATS, UM, LIKE IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE.

>> THIS IS ALSO ELECTION SEASON IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THERE ARE --THERE ARE PEOPLE --I KNOW, BECAUSE I JUST CAME BACK FROM SORT OF CANVASSING VOTERS, AND THERE ARE SOME WHO ARGUE THAT THIS IS JUST NOT AMERICA'S BUSINESS.

>> BUT IT HAS TO BE AMERICA'S BUSINESS, RIGHT?

BECAUSE A LOT OF MONEY IS COMING TO THE SETTLEMENTS FROM AMERICA.

A LOT OF MONEY IS COMING TO THE WEAPONS BEING USED IN GAZA FROM THE AMERICANS.

SO, HOW CAN THE AMERICANS WASH THEIR HANDS FROM THIS?

THEY CAN'T.

NEXT YOU THINK YOU WILL STILL BE ABLE TO WORK IN YOUR FIELD?

>> UM, YES.

I'M NOT THE KIND OF PERSON TO LIKE SIT HOME.

BUT I KNOW THAT I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT I CANNOT WAIT TO MEET THIS 10-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO TRIED TO SAVE ME.

AND I HOPE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS , LIKE, TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST DO THAT.

I HAVE MET A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, VICTIMS.

I HAVE GONE TO SO MANY FUNERALS, I CAN'T EVEN COUNT HOW MANY FUNERALS I HAVE COVERED.

AND I JUST WANT TO GO OVER EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE THIS YEAR AND PULL TOGETHER INTO A -- EYEWITNESS STORY.

>> WELL, HEIDI LEVINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH ME.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

> >> AND FINALLY FOR US, A 57 YEAR WAIT AND VICTORY FOR THE RECORD BOOKS, THE MILWAUKEE BREWERS HAVE WON THEIR FIRST EVER WORLD SERIES TITLE.

AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IT FEELS LIKE, WELL, THIS.

THAT CELEBRATION ENDED DECADES OF DISAPPOINTMENT.

I MEAN, LOOK AT THEM STORMING THE FIELD AFTER DEFEATING THE TAMPA BAY RAYS 4-1.

THE BREWERS FAN BASE IS WIDELY KNOWN AS THE MOST DEDICATED, AND BACK HOME IN MILWAUKEE, THEY WERE CELEBRATING RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM.

AS IF IT COULDN'T GET ANY BETTER, AFTER LOSING THEIR BET AGAINST WISCONSIN, SAUSAGE COMPANY JOHNSONVILLE , JUICE GIANT FLORIDA'S NATURAL , WILL BE SENDING ENOUGH ORANGE JUICE TO MAKE 200,000 VICTORY MIMOSAS FOR THE FANS.

YEP.

LOVE IT.

THIS IS WHAT SPORT IS ALL ABOUT.

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